Hot topics

[karlhenning]

No it is the atonal avant-garde who are evil, I am defending music to the best of my ability!!!!!!!!   

The atonal music is music, so you aren't defending music. You are a bundle of prejudice and hatred.

[karlhenning]

Explain how writing one sort of music is an "attack" on another sort of music.  When I eat oat flakes, that is an attack on rolled oats? 

When you eat Frankenberry, it is an attack on Cap'n Crunch. I've seen it on YouTube!

[Scarpia]

If I were an oat flake, I suppose I might see it like that.... 

What if you were a fruit-loop, that's the issue?

Oh, Elgarian, even your calming, velvety voice has failed to bring our Teresa down, you who talked me into liking Elgar.  What hope is there?

[karlhenning]

Fruit loop, cuckoo puff, they're all unstable!

[Teresa]

Um, atonal music by a classical composer is already classical music.

Actually it is not, it is a deviation from classical music.  And it is now being rejected by most good modern composers.  History will not be kind to it.

You are just plain stupid because you can't believe that someone genuinely likes something that you don't like. Most people can believe a simple concept like this after the age of... what, 6?

Wrong I don't like Schubert or Schumann but I believe many people LOVE them and I also believe they are excellent composers, they are just not to my liking.

However the atonal assault is different.  It is not music, it is anti-music.  Thus needs to be shown in the true light of day for the subversion it is.

[karlhenning]

However the atonal assault is different.  It is not music, it is anti-music.  Thus needs to be shown in the true light of day for the subversion it is.

You don't know what music is. You don't know what light is. You probably don't know what day it is.

[Scarpia]

You don't know what music is. You don't know what light is. You probably don't know what day it is.

Depends on whether they have her in a cell with a window or not. 

[greg]

However the atonal assault is different.  It is not music, it is anti-music.  Thus needs to be shown in the true light of day for the subversion it is.

Then define music.

[Elgarian]

Oh, Elgarian, even your calming, velvety voice has failed to bring our Teresa down, you who talked me into liking Elgar.  What hope is there?

Not so calming for some, it seems. You should see the PM that James just sent me!

[karlhenning]

James knows no repose.

This for me, is the Face of Teresa:

[Teresa]

You don't know what music is. You don't know what light is. You probably don't know what day it is.

You think you are FUNNY?  Well I am not laughing.  If you understand the anti-Schoenberg movement at all you KNOW everything I have said is correct. 

[karlhenning]

You think you are FUNNY?

No, quite in earnest.

[Teresa]

Then define music.

music |ˈmyoōzik|
noun
1 the art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion : he devoted his life to music.
• the vocal or instrumental sound produced in this way : couples were dancing to the music | baroque music.
• a sound perceived as pleasingly harmonious : the background music of softly lapping water.
2 the written or printed signs representing such sound : Tony learned to read music.
• the score or scores of a musical composition or compositions : the music was open on a stand.
-------------------------------------------------
As you can clearly see atonal noise is NOT music. 

[Scarpia]

No, quite in earnest.

Frightening.  She would be another Stalin, if she ever had any power over anything.

[Scarpia]

Not so calming for some, it seems. You should see the PM that James just sent me!

Put him on your "ignore" list, then he can't send you PMs.  Works for me.

[Brian]

No, I am only standing up for classical music, and reject that which opposed and wished to destroy music.  I have posted on page one some YouTubes of modern tonal classical composers, perhaps you should listen to them? 

As a fan of tonal music and the romantics, I decided to give those videos a listen.

Michael Daugherty: So far I've only liked one Daugherty composition, "Raise the Roof." The others of his that I've heard, including "Metropolis Symphony," "Fire and Blood," and "Motor City Triptych," demonstrate brilliance in coloristic effects and clever bits of jazz (especially the trombone-trio movement of "Motor City"). But they also all - even "Raise the Roof" - suffer from being just plain too long. I think all of them could be halved and there'd be no harm done. Daugherty writes basically without structure and without motivic development, so this is especially true.

"Niagara Falls" is a good example. He starts with a good idea, then sort of wanders from one to another with no order and no real connection to the subject. Grofe's "Niagara Falls" at least had wall-to-wall bass drums to depict the water itself. I also think Daugherty uses a lot of unnecessary percussion instruments. After about three minutes, I got bored, but I listened to the whole thing. The ending is fun!

Johan de Meij: Okay, I really like this! It's like somebody decided to write a Richard Strauss/Wagner symphony. It's a little episodic, suggesting a movie rather than a symphony, and de Meij, like Daugherty, fails to understand that the less you use percussion the more effective it is. But hey, this is fun and makes me smile! The cellos don't sound too good on this recording, so I was surprised to see it is the LSO and not some pickup ensemble. This would be a great piece at children's concerts, because it's very dramatic and immediately attractive. I felt like the ending came to soon, which is a good thing. Heady stuff.

Giancarlo Menotti: Dinner time. I'll listen to the rest later.

[Bulldog]

How you read the "sick" lyrics of vocal pieces and operas of Schoenberg and his followers?  Have you looked at the depraved photos on their album covers? Have you heard violent descriptions of murder, torture, rape and other anti-social crimes in the music of not only the avant-garde but also Rap?

Yes some music is so depraved it should not exist in a civilized society.

Do you advocate an official ban on those depraved types of music?

[karlhenning]

music |ˈmyoōzik|
noun
1 the art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion : he devoted his life to music.
• the vocal or instrumental sound produced in this way : couples were dancing to the music | baroque music.
• a sound perceived as pleasingly harmonious : the background music of softly lapping water.
2 the written or printed signs representing such sound : Tony learned to read music.
• the score or scores of a musical composition or compositions : the music was open on a stand.
-------------------------------------------------
As you can clearly see atonal noise is NOT music. 

Au contraire.  Schoenberg, Webern, Berg, Boulez & Wuorinen write music which many of us perceive as pleasingly harmonious. You, Teresa, are talking balderdash, as usual.  Aren't you ashamed before Him Who is the Truth?

[Franco]

music |ˈmyoōzik|
noun
1 the art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion : he devoted his life to music.
• the vocal or instrumental sound produced in this way : couples were dancing to the music | baroque music.
• a sound perceived as pleasingly harmonious : the background music of softly lapping water.
2 the written or printed signs representing such sound : Tony learned to read music.
• the score or scores of a musical composition or compositions : the music was open on a stand.
-------------------------------------------------
As you can clearly see atonal noise is NOT music. 

Actually the piece by Alban Berg I am listening to complies with the first definition perfectly.

[karlhenning]

Frightening.  She would be another Stalin, if she ever had any power over anything.

Wonder if she sat on the PMRC?