Greatest living conductor?

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Who is the greatest living conductor (active or retired)?

Claudio Abbado
Bernard Haitink
Colin Davis
Simon Rattle
Daniel Barenboim
Wolfgang Sawallisch
Neeme Järvi
Riccardo Muti
Valery Gergiev
Kurt Masur
Nikolaus Harnoncourt
Seiji Ozawa
Pierre Boulez

Drasko

Quote from: Lethe on July 25, 2010, 03:21:31 PM
I guess one conclusion is: graft Harnoncourt and Boulez together, and you will have the perfect conductor with the perfect range of repertoire? ;D

Quickly, before one of them dies.

Renfield

Quote from: Scarpia on July 25, 2010, 03:17:25 PM
Well, I voted for Harnoncourt, even though I felt I shouldn't just because he does what he does so well.  But I think ability to present modern/contemporary music to the public is important.

That's a fair point. Although, one might consider his work in (re)presenting older music and performing traditions to the public to be an equivalent contribution - especially in light of his work in educating young musicians through the COE.


Quote from: Lethe on July 25, 2010, 03:21:31 PM
I guess one conclusion is: graft Harnoncourt and Boulez together, and you will have the perfect conductor with the perfect range of repertoire? ;D

Quickly, before one of them dies.

:o ;D

Scarpia

Harnoncourt and Boulez have one thing in common.  THey rarely smile, and when they do it is generally a mistake.



Philoctetes

Quote from: Scarpia on July 25, 2010, 04:07:54 PM
Harnoncourt and Boulez have one thing in common.  THey rarely smile, and when they do it is generally a mistake.




Dude, it's because this is serious business. Classical music is serious. So you have to be serious.

Unlike fucking Baloo in this clip, who just didn't get how serious classical music was.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REKCxUm7SHQ


greg

I think Harnoncourt is going to need to check his pants.

Renfield

I think "mistake" was an understatement.

DavidRoss

Quote from: Greg on July 25, 2010, 04:40:04 PM
I think Harnoncourt is going to need to check his pants.

Hah!

And they're coming into the homestretch, Abbado & Harnoncourt neck and neck out in front, with Haitink making a strong bid on the rail....
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Superhorn

  For sheer breadth and variety of repertoire , it's difficult to think of any one who can surpass Neeme Jarvi,a conductor who is easy to underrate and dismiss.
  He has done so much to perform and record interesting works outside the mainstream repertoire,and for this alone,he has put the world of classical music in his debt. And his performances usually have great panache and color.
  Thanks to Jarvi, we have been able to hear music by Eduard Tubin,
Wilhelm Stenhammar,George Whitefield Chadwick, William Grant Still, Michael Daugherty, Lepo Sumera, Arvo Part, Maximilian Steinberg,Nikolai Myaskovsky,Nikolai Medtner, Zdenek Fibich,
Hugo Alfven, Mily Balkakirev, Sergei Taneyev, and so many other composers you almost never hear live.
  He has also made recordings of such rarely encountered operas as
Tchaikovsky's Mazeppa, Nielsen's Saul and David, Rachmaninov's Aleko,The Miserly Knight, and Francesca Da Rimini, and the first recording of the only opera by Sibelius, The Maiden in the Tower.
  What would we do without Neeme Jarvi?

Cato

Quote from: Superhorn on July 26, 2010, 07:25:52 AM
  For sheer breadth and variety of repertoire , it's difficult to think of any one who can surpass Neeme Jarvi...
What would we do without Neeme Jarvi?

Have fatter bank accounts?   8)

I think his recording of Prokofiev's The Fiery Angel was the first one on a CD: eons ago I came across a monaural recording of a French version from the 1950's and always wanted to hear the "proper" Russian version.

I am a little surprised by the weakness of support for Boulez: certainly his DGG Mahler cycle raised him up in my opinion!   0:)

Abbado I understand: I heard him conduct a concert of Schoenberg's  Pelleas und Melisande with the Berlin Philharmonic, and still recall the Kammermusik clarity of the lines and the near anguished hysteria of the climaxes.

On the other hand, Boulez and the Chicago Symphony with the same work (on ERATO) I found to be a wrong-headed mess.   :o
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karlhenning

QuoteWhat do we want? Boulez added to the poll!  When do we want it? NOW!

Thank you!  I've now voted.

karlhenning

I mean, I might have voted for Abbado on the merits . . . but this reflects my 'voting with my ears' as I've been listening to a boatload of Boulez's recordings.

Scarpia

Quote from: Cato on July 27, 2010, 08:50:09 AMOn the other hand, Boulez and the Chicago Symphony with the same work (on ERATO) I found to be a wrong-headed mess.   :o

I consider that to be the finest recording of Boulez that I have heard, and the finest recording of that work.   :o

karlhenning

Well, heck, you think too little of Bartók's Dance Suite ; )

Cato

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 27, 2010, 08:55:53 AM
I mean, I might have voted for Abbado on the merits . . . but this reflects my 'voting with my ears' as I've been listening to a boatload of Boulez's recordings.

Despite my dislike of the afore-mentioned ERATO Schoenberg Pelleas und Melisande I also voted for Boulez.

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karlhenning

Reminds me that I need to watch Operation: Rabbit


mahler10th

Quote from: jlaurson on February 03, 2013, 08:33:09 AM


Valery Gergiev Signs Contract With Munich Philharmonic
Valery Gergiev Signs Contract With Munich Philharmonic. Here's why, and what to expect:

http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2013/02/valery-gergiev-signs-contract-with.html


This is good news.  The MPO may find themselves playing at a level one expects of a top German 'provincial' Orchestra - but it is my belief that the MPO are already a World Class Orchestra (and have been for some time) , and this is in no way a step down for Gergiev.  If things work out, the MPO will become a stronger and better respected Orchestra on the World stage.

Lisztianwagner

I would have voted for Mariss Jansons if he had been included in the list.

Anyway, my choice is certainly Abbado, such a great conductor he is!! I absolutely love his recordings of Beethoven, Prokofiev, Mahler, Mozart, Debussy and Ravel. ;D
"You cannot expect the Form before the Idea, for they will come into being together." - Arnold Schönberg

Brian

The omission I'm most surprised by is Chailly. I voted Abbado over Boulez, Chailly, and Harnoncourt (alphabetically).

The greatest conductors I've seen live are Ashkenazy, Belohlavek, C. Davis, C. Dohnanyi, Dudamel, Dutoit, Elder, apparently (since he's included in this poll) Neeme Jarvi, V. Jurowski, V. Petrenko, and Antoni Wit. Davis and Dohnanyi were having decidedly "off" nights, Jarvi has always put me off, and Elder I didn't think was particularly special. On basis of rapport with orchestra and quality of live results, the two finest conductors I've seen are Charles Dutoit and Antoni Wit. Dutoit's as good in concert as he ever is on CD, and Wit is a kind of old-school Karajan-style conductor I'll probably never see live again, the kind who's drilled his orchestra so well that they have become a part of him, like a single performing organism.