Is a Job a right or a privilege?

[jhar26]

Lastly I cannot believe the six people who voted that jobs are "A privilege, let the jobless starve and die" are actually human beings, how could such coldhearted people exist? 

I doubt if they really mean that though. My guess is that some just don't like the two options of your poll. And a few probably just voted that way to upset you.

[Bulldog]

Maybe the problem was that the person who defined the pole did not provide a middle ground between fascism and the law of the jungle.

Exactly.  Teresa's two choices were biased, and she doesn't even seem to know that alternative choices exist.

[Teresa]

Maybe the problem was that the person who defined the pole did not provide a middle ground between fascism and the law of the jungle.

The guaranteed right to a job is NOT fascism but a BASIC human right as defined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights Article 23:

In the real world there is no middle ground.  Either one is employed or they are not, either one have a roof over their head or they are homeless.

NO ONE DESERVES TO BE UNEMPLOYED OR HOMELESS! 

Why?  It costs real money to buy food, to buy housing and to pay for health care, without a Job this cannot be done.  It short there is NO ONE who wants to work that does NOT deserve a job. 

For people who are unable to work we have disability laws, for everyone else the GUARANTEE OF THE JOB, is the most very basic act society can offer. 

Thus there is only one correct answer to the question:
Is a Job a right or a privilege?
A right above all others.
Claiming that a job is a privilege and to let the jobless starve and die is inhuman and as evil as any mass murderer I have witnessed in my over five decades on this planet.

In short claiming a job is a privilege has caused the unnecessary suffering and death of millions.  That is what is on your head and what you will have to answer for in hell!

[DavidRoss]

Lastly I cannot believe the six people who voted that jobs are "A privilege, let the jobless starve and die" are actually human beings, how could such coldhearted people exist?  These people should get to be jobless and homeless for a year, then they will easily change their answer to the only CORRECT answer A job is a right above all others!

And I cannot believe that six people actually voted in this inane poll.

Teresa should go live in one of her "Progressive" paradises for a year (North Korea, perhaps?  Not many others are left...), then come back (if she can) and tell us just how wonderful it really is.

Hmmm, reminds me of a college buddy who (like most of us at that tender age when our idealism has yet to be tempered by experience) was so enamored of Marxist-socialist-progressive ideology that he jumped at the chance to study in Leningrad for six months.  When he returned home the first words out of his mouth were "Communism is an abomination that must be wiped off the face of the earth!" 

[Teresa]

Exactly.  Teresa's two choices were biased, and she doesn't even seem to know that alternative choices exist.

Name one please, I am all ears. 

If you can solve unemployment without guaranteeing employment and get the homeless and beggars off the street by some other option I be very, very curious what it is. 

Actually there are really not two choices, the second choice was to reveal the monsters on this site.   Their is really only one human choice:

Is a Job a right or a privilege?
A right above all others.

[DavidRoss]

Every time I read another of Teresa's lunatic posts I'm reminded of Dan Ackroyd's timeless rejoinder to Jane Curtin on their old SNL Weekend Update Point-Counterpoint skits.

[Teresa]

Teresa should go live in one of her "Progressive" paradises for a year (North Korea, perhaps?  Not many others are left...), then come back (if she can) and tell us just how wonderful it really is.

Do you not know anything or how to read?  North Korea is a communist dictatorship>  Full political and economic freedom including guaranteed employment can ONLY happen in a democracy.  Sure North Korea would offer article 23 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights but what of the other 29 articles?  They fail poorly on most of others, why because they are a dictatorship NOT a democracy!

Before you damn the jobless and homeless perhaps you should live on the street for a year.  That you change your warped opinion completely.  You MUST learn compassion of your fellowman. 

[Franco]

Teresa, have you ever given someone a job?

[Lethevich]

Name one please, I am all ears. 

I don't know why I'm playing this game, but:

A right above all others.
A right equal to certain others.
A privilege, but with charitable support for those without.
A privilege, let the jobless starve and die.

I go for the second, so unfortunately your poll has no option for me to vote for.

[Teresa]

Every time I read another of Teresa's lunatic posts I'm reminded of Dan Ackroyd's timeless rejoinder to Jane Curtin on their old SNL Weekend Update Point-Counterpoint skits.

You have proven yourself NOT to be a human being.  Are you perhaps a cyborg of some sort, or a demon out to destroy mankind.  You just sound like a really mean person who does not believe that everyone has or deserves the very basic of basic human rights. 

[Gurn Blanston]

Do you not know anything or how to read?  North Korea is a communist dictatorship>  Full political and economic freedom including guaranteed employment can ONLY happen in a democracy.

Would you please explain this. And don't tell me to go follow one of your links. Write out right here what the hell you mean by this. I want to see it in your own words so I don't mistakenly offend you due to some mistaken inference on my part.



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[Lethevich]

Would you please explain this. And don't tell me to go follow one of your links. Write out right here what the hell you mean by this. I want to see it in your own words so I don't mistakenly offend you due to some mistaken inference on my part.

I would also be interested in a response to this, as I don't understand how a democracy could ban the music and films Teresa does not enjoy.

[Scarpia]

Would you please explain this. And don't tell me to go follow one of your links. Write out right here what the hell you mean by this. I want to see it in your own words so I don't mistakenly offend you due to some mistaken inference on my part.

Yes, who is going to give everyone a job, and by what authority, and what will happen when someone simply doesn't even bother to show up for his or her guaranteed job?

[Gurn Blanston]

Yes, who is going to give everyone a job, and by what authority, and what will happen when someone simply doesn't even bother to show up for his or her guaranteed job?

All those things, yes...

I would also be interested in a response to this, as I don't understand how a democracy could ban the music and films Teresa does not enjoy.

And those things too. You simply can't have a democracy that spends all its time telling people what to do. It's a damned oxymoron.


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[Teresa]

Teresa, have you ever given someone a job?

Yes and I have trained new employees as well.  I have even owned a part-time business.   

[Teresa]

I don't know why I'm playing this game, but:

A right above all others.
A right equal to certain others.
A privilege, but with charitable support for those without.
A privilege, let the jobless starve and die.

I go for the second, so unfortunately your poll has no option for me to vote for.

I added your two new options, so you can vote now.

[Franco]

Yes and I have trained new employees as well.  I have even owned a part-time business.

Good.  Did you hire just the people you needed and keep your costs as low as possible or did you hire extra people just to employ more people (and inflate your costs, presumably meaning either your profit is less, or nonexistent, or your prices higher)?  Need I tell you that if a business owner continues to operate at no profit or at a loss he will go out of business and not be able to hire anyone?

[Bulldog]

It's good to know that Teresa stands for full employment in the pornography industry.

[Teresa]

Would you please explain this. And don't tell me to go follow one of your links. Write out right here what the hell you mean by this. I want to see it in your own words so I don't mistakenly offend you due to some mistaken inference on my part.

Quite simple complete political and economic freedom including guaranteed employment can ONLY happen in a democracy.

Since you don't want the link here is the entire Universal Declaration of Human Rights of which article 23 is but one of 30 articles:

PREAMBLE

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations,

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,

Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.

Article 1.

All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Article 2.

Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Article 3.

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 4.

No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

Article 5.

No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 6.

Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Article 7.

All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 8.

Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

Article 9.

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 10.

Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

Article 11.

(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.

Article 12.

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Article 13.

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Article 14.

(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
(2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 15.

(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

Article 16.

(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

Article 17.

(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Article 18.

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19.

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Article 20.

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

Article 21.

(1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
(2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.
(3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

Article 22.

Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

Article 23.

(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

Article 24.

Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

Article 25.

(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

Article 26.

(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

Article 27.

(1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
(2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

Article 28.

Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

Article 29.

(1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 30.

Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.
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It short that is why a democratic government NOT a dictatorship is required for the necessary compassion of its citizens to implement full economic rights. 

[Gurn Blanston]

Yes, yes very clever I'm sure. That's not a reply, it's a manifesto. I want a simple reply to a simple question. Why would a 'right to work' statute only work in a democracy? And how would it work? Really, so very simple. A short paragraph would do it. If you could satisfy me on that, I might even support you in certain circumstances.



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