Kimi the Philosopher spoke:

Started by springrite, September 03, 2010, 05:20:27 AM

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springrite

After a short blackout, I turned on the TV for Kimi to watch. Then, I tried to re-set the electric clock. But I had forgotten how to set it. So I messed with it for a long time, somewhat blocking Kimi's view of her favorite cartoon. Finally, Kimi spoke:

"Daddy. Is it that important to know the time all the time? Do you have to know it all the time? What is the point?"

Here is a 2 year old asking a philosophical question that got me stumped. She has a point, doesn't she? What is it with out obsession?

It is 2120 Beijing local time right now. The clock has been set.
Do what I must do, and let what must happen happen.

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: springrite on September 03, 2010, 05:20:27 AM
Finally, Kimi spoke:
"Daddy. Is it that important to know the time all the time? Do you have to know it all the time? What is the point?"

Brilliant kid, you have there. She hasn't been reading Ginsberg, has she?  ;)  I haven't worn a watch since reading this:

...who threw their watches off the roof to cast their ballot for Eternity outside of Time... "Howl"

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

mc ukrneal

Quote from: springrite on September 03, 2010, 05:20:27 AM
After a short blackout, I turned on the TV for Kimi to watch. Then, I tried to re-set the electric clock. But I had forgotten how to set it. So I messed with it for a long time, somewhat blocking Kimi's view of her favorite cartoon. Finally, Kimi spoke:

"Daddy. Is it that important to know the time all the time? Do you have to know it all the time? What is the point?"

Here is a 2 year old asking a philosophical question that got me stumped. She has a point, doesn't she? What is it with out obsession?

It is 2120 Beijing local time right now. The clock has been set.

We have no clocks on any walls at home. I never wear a watch. Life is good....(and your daughter is brilliant)...(and I am rarely late - in case you were wondering)....
Be kind to your fellow posters!!

Scarpia

Quote from: ukrneal on September 03, 2010, 05:41:09 AM(and I am rarely late - in case you were wondering)....

All that proves is that you are constantly thinking about the time.

I am always within sight of a clock so I never have to think about the time except when necessary.

karlhenning

The second Chicago song I ever remember hearing, is "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?"

Ironically, the very first Chicago song I ever remember hearing, is "25 or 6 to 4."  (A song whose title betrays a concern with what time it is.)

mc ukrneal

Quote from: Scarpia on September 03, 2010, 06:18:52 AM
All that proves is that you are constantly thinking about the time.

I am always within sight of a clock so I never have to think about the time except when necessary.
Ah, you might think that. I just have a very good internal clock. If you ask me at any time during the day, I have a good sense of what time it is (this developed when I got rid of the watch on my wrist). At home in the evening, we just go to bed when we are tired, not at a certain time. I don't think about it, and it really is so nice.

Of course, if I have an appointment or meeting, I need to find a clock. But most of the time, it is one thing less to think about.

Be kind to your fellow posters!!

Scarpia

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 03, 2010, 06:25:44 AMIronically, the very first Chicago song I ever remember hearing, is "25 or 6 to 4."  (A song whose title betrays a concern with what time it is.)[/font]

I was a big Chicago fan in the day, when they wrote protest songs, rather than love songs for 13 year olds.   I never associated "25 or 6 to 4" with a time.  If it was just "25 to 4" it would have been a lot more obvious. 

Since Sargent Pepper, everyone assume that a rock album might be organized along a theme and in Chicago II 25 or 6 to 4 seems to come at a transition between happy songs and dark or death obsessed songs.  So I always assumed there was an ominous meaning behind it.    But now it is clear that it is a song about sitting in your apartment at 3:35am trying to write a pop song.

karlhenning

Quote from: Scarpia on September 03, 2010, 07:21:09 AM
I was a big Chicago fan in the day, when they wrote protest songs, rather than love songs for 13 year olds.   I never associated "25 or 6 to 4" with a time.  If it was just "25 to 4" it would have been a lot more obvious.

Agreed!  It was only decades later that I read the explanation that it was the time of the (early) morning.

Earlier, I just didn't know what the heck it meant
; )

Wendell_E

#8
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 03, 2010, 07:30:06 AM
Agreed!  It was only decades later that I read the explanation that it was the time of the (early) morning.

Earlier, I just didn't know what the heck it meant
; )

I heard it on the radio just a couple of days ago, and was still wondering what it meant.  Now I know.

I'm sorta obsessed with time, myself.  I can see three four five six clocks from where I'm sitting.  One of them's a minute off.  Arrrrgh!
"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ― Mark Twain

springrite

Quote from: Wendell_E on September 03, 2010, 09:12:40 AM
I'm sorta obsessed with time, myself.  I can see three clocks from where I'm sitting.  One of them's a minute off.  Arrrrgh!

Watch it carefully for about two minutes. It may be 1 minute 59 seconds off!!!
Do what I must do, and let what must happen happen.

Wendell_E

Quote from: springrite on September 03, 2010, 09:15:19 AM
Watch it carefully for about two minutes. It may be 1 minute 59 seconds off!!!

Trust me.  If it were that far off, I'd know.  And I'd correct it, though that'd involve going to another office.

Actually, the clock in my car is about three minutes fast, but for some reason that doesn't bother me.  But if it gets to five...
"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ― Mark Twain

Scarpia

Quote from: springrite on September 03, 2010, 09:15:19 AM
Watch it carefully for about two minutes. It may be 1 minute 59 seconds off!!!

If you have one clock you know what time it is, if you have thee, grrr! 

Actually most of the clocks I see are coupled to electrical devices like cell phones and computers that automatically synchronize.  The worst is the kitchen where there is a clock radio, coffee maker, and oven time that all have clocks, and which are impossible to synchronize.  How to know when the pasta is ready?

springrite

Kimi's first philosophical moment about a year ago:

I was teaching her about BIG and SMALL as relative terms. Each time, I showed her two items, and asked her which one is BIG and which one is small. At first, the choices are more obvious, something like watermelon and cherry tomatoes. But the last two items were a grain of rice and a sesame seed. I asked her which one is BIG. Reluctantly, she picked the grain of rice and said: "This BIG is SO SMALL!"
Do what I must do, and let what must happen happen.

karlhenning


Joe Barron

#14
 As with most mental effort, Kimi's philosophy seems to be largely a cover for an emotional response. Instead of just admitting that she is annoyed because you were blocking her view, she tried to argue that blocking her view was some sort of intellectual failure on your part. I do this sort of thing all the time.  The fact that a two-year-old has already mastered the technique is nothing short of scary.

vandermolen

Quote from: springrite on September 03, 2010, 05:20:27 AM
After a short blackout, I turned on the TV for Kimi to watch. Then, I tried to re-set the electric clock. But I had forgotten how to set it. So I messed with it for a long time, somewhat blocking Kimi's view of her favorite cartoon. Finally, Kimi spoke:

"Daddy. Is it that important to know the time all the time? Do you have to know it all the time? What is the point?"

Here is a 2 year old asking a philosophical question that got me stumped. She has a point, doesn't she? What is it with out obsession?

It is 2120 Beijing local time right now. The clock has been set.

She is clearly a Taoist  :)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).