Louis Armstrong

[Purusha]

Ho, i see.

But why is it here in the first place?

[Chaszz]

Ho, i see.

But why is it here in the first place?

I saw on the gatepost to the Diner, everything allowed but music. I didn't happen to go inside to see that that injunction was not being followed. I didn't know where else to put it, so put it here, as the Hot Fives and Sevens are to me one definition of great recordings. No moderator has seen fit to move it in the interim. 

[Jubal Slate]

Jazz could have its own board under The Music Room! Howzabout that? 

[Karl Henning]

I think I like that!

Tanqueray looks good on ya! 

[Jubal Slate]

I think I like that!

Tanqueray looks good on ya! 

[Jubal Slate]

Go away, James.

[Purusha]

Jazz could have its own board under The Music Room! Howzabout that? 

I think a simple non-classical room would suffice.

[Jubal Slate]

I think a simple non-classical room would suffice.

Mayhap

[Purusha]

Which is odd. Awhile back a member (snyprrr) started a Frank Zappa thread within the composer section of the forum and truthfully there is a small portion of FZ's work which is 'heavier' and more serious minded, which seems to have a life within the institution of 'classical composition & performance', even among some elite ensembles/performers .. as recent concerts & news articles clearly support - but the mods moved it over to The Diner - much to the chagrin to members who feel otherwise. Louis however doesn't even have that, it is totally, completely popular music of it's time and simple song jazz-blues-ragtime-swing oriented. It clearly belongs in The Diner,  i.e. (Make A Jazz Noise Here thread). Even his best recorded solos don't make him a classical composer.

Keep dreaming though. 

I think this is missing the point. Classical music is its own musical tradition. There are many composers who are nowhere near as good as Louis Armstrong (or Zappa for that matter) who belong here simply because they are part of that tradition, while there are others whom i personally consider to be greater than Armstrong who wouldn't belong in a jazz forum. Frank Zappa is a bit of a slippery slope because he did write music that is pretty much "classical" in every sense but since he made his fame as a rock or jazz fusion musician i can see why it is hard to say whether he belongs here or not. Certainly he has more of a claim than Armstrong simply because some of his music was written in a purely classical idiom (and i mean, a "real" classical idiom, not the mock classical style typical of most progressive rock bands).

[Jubal Slate]

The point is Armstrong isn't even an iota classical composer or performer. Simple. He has no place here.

What's an iota classical composer or performer?

[Purusha]

The point is Armstrong isn't even an iota classical composer or performer. Simple. He has no place here.

The point i was making is that he isn't a classical musician because he doesn't belong to that tradition, and not because he wasn't "good" enough to belong. There a plenty of crappy classical composers who are still "classical" despite being crappy. The "quality" of the music seems to be entirely besides the point here.

[Karl Henning]

Thank God, James is here to tell us all the truth!

[Karl Henning]

(And as humorlessly as a slug drowned in a saucer of flat Bud Lite.)

(Which makes it funnier still.)

[NJ Joe]

Obviously the mods have indicated by not moving this thread that this topic is for posting about great recordings.   Not just great classical recordings, but any recordings that any member thinks is great.

Now that that has been made clear, I say no problem.

New threads could be for great rock records, or great punk records or great metal or hip-hop records./  Actually I think it is a wonderful idea for a topic.

Then I guess the same can be said for the Composer Discussion board as well? (not being sarcastic, just curious).

[Purusha]

It is a silly notion. The need to have an entire room devoted to recordings is something that is specific to classical music because in this particular genre the music and its performance are two separate entities. The same cannot be said for jazz or rock, where there's no written music, only recordings. There's literally dozens upon dozes of performances of the piano sonatas of Beethoven, but there's only a single Kind of Blue, much like there's only one White Album and so forth. So it makes sense to discuss "recordings" in a classical context but for other genres you'd be discussing the music itself making the existence of this specific room redundant. Just make a single music forum and be done with it, and if that makes it too difficult for new comers to figure out which recording of the sonatas of Beethoven they ought to start with out the hundreds that exist, that's too bad, right?

[Karl Henning]

Monk's scores were notated.

[Purusha]

That doesn't mean much. There's no "Monk" without Monk.

[North Star]

I have heard of rumours about several recordings by several groups of musicians of 'Round Midnight and Straight, No Chaser.

[Purusha]

In jazz, each "recording" is a composition in itself.

I mean, imagine a jazz forum with two different rooms, one discussing the music and the other discussing recordings. I don't see how that would make sense, right? But in classical, that makes perfect sense because, as i said, the recordings and the music are two different entities.

[Karl Henning]

I think it fair to say that some jazz exists in score, some exists as recordings.