What's the point of listening to so much music?

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The new erato

Quote from: Saul on October 19, 2010, 04:31:33 AM
.... when a younger composer such as me was able to get thousands of people to enjoy my music, appreciate it and praise it....

Which doesn't prove anything else then that zillions of rappers are better composers than you, since even more people apprecaite them, even to the point of being willing to pay money for it. Don't go down that road. I find Karl's viola music pretty good after one listening.

Saul

Quote from: erato on October 19, 2010, 04:43:56 AM
Which doesn't prove anything else then that zillions of rappers are better composers than you, since even more people apprecaite them, even to the point of being willing to pay money for it. Don't go down that road. I find Karl's viola music pretty good after one listening.

Thousands or millions it doesn't matter, as long as I was able to touch a certain number of people in a positive way, that's a good thing in my book.
Its really sad, that this fact infuriates certain people.

karlhenning

Quote from: Saul on October 19, 2010, 04:31:33 AM
You're a terrible composer, Karl. No matter what others might tell you, and no matter how much they will kiss up to you saying :"My wife, my cat, my dog, my this and that listened to that Viola' I will set you on your spot. You are not more then a raving , arrogant ego driven composer who is going absolutely crazy and extremely mad, when a younger composer such as me was able to get thousands of people to enjoy my music, appreciate it and praise it.

Not only your a bad composer, as time goes by you are proving to be a bad human being, too bad I had to reach this conclusion, I wish I had not, and I also wish that you will prove otherwise.


I also doubt that you would have spoken so freely to my face. Yes, I don't think that you would have spoken like that to a 33 year old, 6 feet tall, 220 pound American, Israeli, Georgian guy with such open animosity and disrespect. Its easy for you to sit at your little salon in Boston and spew personal insults, that have to do nothing with music.

Shame on you, and I do hope, that you will change your bad habits and begin treating people with minimum respect, and not only to those who kiss up to you.

I imagine you delivering this in an Adam Sandler voice, and you are funnier still! Thanks.

karlhenning

Quote from: Saul on October 19, 2010, 04:46:36 AM
Thousands or millions it doesn't matter, as long as I was able to touch a certain number of people in a positive way, that's a good thing in my book.
Its really sad, that this fact infuriates certain people.

You're so funny!  The anonymous "thousands" who bow to you on YouTube, you invite us to regard as intelligent, cultured appreciators of music;  but the flesh-&-blood people on this forum who have had generous things to say about "the world's worst viola sonata" by "a terrible composer," you fondly imagine to mean nothing.

Truly, you are a legend in your own mind LOL

Philoctetes

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 19, 2010, 04:51:21 AM
You're so funny!  The anonymous "thousands" who bow to you on YouTube, you invite us to regard as intelligent, cultured appreciators of music;  but the flesh-&-blood people on this forum who have had generous things to say about "the world's worst viola sonata" by "a terrible composer," you fondly imagine to mean nothing.

Truly, you are a legend in your own mind LOL


Also, Youtube doesn't individuate, much like GMG or most other forum type platforms.

karlhenning

Quote from: Philoctetes on October 19, 2010, 04:52:22 AM
Also, Youtube doesn't individuate, much like GMG or most other forum type platforms.

No, no! Don't burst Saul's bubble! Let us pause to bask in his YouTube deitization ; )

Philoctetes

Quote from: Saul on October 19, 2010, 04:53:42 AM
Actually I don't have any Adam Sandler voice, and I can be very intimidating.
I doubt you would have spoken like that to my face.
For that you need major balls, and I don't think you have those.

http://www.youtube.com/v/DW4YDypf7qs

The new erato

Quote from: Saul on October 19, 2010, 04:46:36 AM
Thousands or millions it doesn't matter, as long as I was able to touch a certain number of people in a positive way, that's a good thing in my book.

That' very good in my opinion. But it just doesn't say anything about quality, which was my point. Most people enjoy cheap burgers and wouldn't be able to swallow an oyster if it hit them in the face. And if we disregard the health aspects, that's fine with me (even though it means we are overflowing with garish burger joints).

Saul

Quote from: erato on October 19, 2010, 05:00:01 AM
That' very good in my opinion. But it just doesn't say anything about quality, which was my point. Most people enjoy cheap burgers and wouldn't be able to swallow an oyster if it hit them in the face. And if we disregard the health aspects, that's fine with me (even though it means we are overflowing with garish burger joints).

No no no, many Musicians and composers and classical music listeners, have sent me their praises, and purchased my music.
So I don't know what your talking about.


Philoctetes

Quote from: Saul on October 19, 2010, 05:01:31 AM
You're pathetic.

When compared to what?

I mean compared to someone of the genius type, a Bach, a Dirac. I'd wager we're all pretty pathetic.

But if compared to you. I mean come one, there's really no contest in who is more pathetic than who?


When one has to sink to Internet tough guyism, you know that person is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The new erato

Quote from: Saul on October 19, 2010, 05:03:16 AM
No no no, many Musicians and composers and classical music listeners, have sent me their praises, and purchased my music.
So I don't know what your talking about.
They're probably people that havent listened to so much music?

karlhenning

Quote from: Philoctetes on October 19, 2010, 05:03:37 AM
When one has to sink to Internet tough guyism, you know that person is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

He may be a thug, but he's got a tender soul. He likes Mendelssohn. His conversation is limited, it's true:

Quote from: The YouTube god
Thousands love my music. Stravinsky is a lousy composer. How are your balls growing?

karlhenning

Quote from: Saul on October 19, 2010, 05:03:16 AM
So I don't know what [you're] talking about.

Congratulations! Apart from the grammatical error, the most sensible thing you've posted in a week! Bully for you!

Saul

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Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 19, 2010, 05:09:50 AM
Congratulations! Apart from the grammatical error, the most sensible thing you've posted in a week! Bully for you!

I am taking a hiatus from here for a week or even more, until you little fools will come back to your senses.
You want to have the last word?
Have it.

Edited by Knight

karlhenning

Quote from: erato on October 19, 2010, 05:14:27 AM
Most of us are nobodys.

But some of us are wise enough not to expose that on youube and the internet.

I'm no rat! (But I might be a vole . . . .)

owlice

#215
Many years ago, my chorus was rehearsing a work by Liszt. I hated it; the work made no sense to me. I found it confusing, confused. Our director was an excellent musician and conductor, but the way he had us rehearsing the work, the way he was conducting it as we prepared the work, did nothing to clarify the work for me.

The entire work snapped into place for me when the conductor for the performance (Frühbeck de Burgos) came for a choral rehearsal. He put the piece together in a way my (much beloved) choral director just hadn't been able to do, at least for me. I loved the work! It was a joy to sing it with this conductor!

I would have to agree with Saul: it's useless for him to listen to different performances of a work. He doesn't get anything out of doing so, by his own admission. So what? Others clearly don't follow suit.

And wow -- 22 new replies since I started typing this, and most of them ungentlemanly!

What an exciting thread!  :o

karlhenning

Quote from: owlice on October 19, 2010, 05:20:05 AM
Many years ago, my chorus was rehearsing a work by Liszt. I hated it; the work made no sense to me. I found it confusing, confused. Our director was an excellent musician and conductor, but the way he had us rehearsing the work, the way he was conducting it as we prepared the work, did nothing to clarify the work for me.

The entire work snapped into place for me when the conductor for the performance (Frühbeck de Burgos) came for a choral rehearsal. He put the piece together in a way my (much beloved) choral director just hadn't been able to do, at least for me. I loved the work! It was a joy to sing it with this conductor!

I would have to agree with Saul: it's useless for him to listen to different performances of a work. He doesn't get anything out of doing so, by his own admission. So what? Others clearly don't follow suit.

And wow -- 22 new replies since I started typing this, and most of them ungentlemanly!

What an exciting thread!  :o

Excellent post!

Philoctetes

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 19, 2010, 05:27:04 AM
Of course, there is a philosophical question buried in here to consider: why, of all sorts, should a non-composer be the worst kind of major idiot?

Perhaps he'll upload an explanatory video on YouTube! That will be something to look forward to!

All right. I think he's done with the topic. So let us just get back to it and forget this all ever....

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: owlice on October 19, 2010, 05:20:05 AM
Many years ago, my chorus was rehearsing a work by Liszt. I hated it; the work made no sense to me. I found it confusing, confused. Our director was an excellent musician and conductor, but the way he had us rehearsing the work, the way he was conducting it as we prepared the work, did nothing to clarify the work for me.

The entire work snapped into place for me when the conductor for the performance (Frühbeck de Burgos) came for a choral rehearsal. He put the piece together in a way my (much beloved) choral director just hadn't been able to do, at least for me. I loved the work! It was a joy to sing it with this conductor!

I would have to agree with Saul: it's useless for him to listen to different performances of a work. He doesn't get anything out of doing so, by his own admission. So what? Others clearly don't follow suit.

And wow -- 22 new replies since I started typing this, and most of them ungentlemanly!

What an exciting thread!  :o

Thanks for giving us a brief glimpse of sanity. It was much needed.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

karlhenning

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 19, 2010, 05:29:01 AM
Thanks for giving us a brief glimpse of sanity. It was much needed.

I was especially glad to read of Frühbeck de Burgos here, because lately as I've heard his ocasional work as a guest in Boston, it's been spotty.