Operatic characters sent into exile

[Luke]

...and speaking in Wagnerian tones, not exactly an exile, but Freia's essentially-Wotan-sanctioned taking by F+F and her return are so strikingly portrayed in the score that it's hard to resist mentioning them.

[Guido]

Which one is that in Luke (embarrassed by y ignorance of the Ring story)

[Luke]

Rheingold - she's taken as payment when Wotan won't cough up to Fasolt and Fafnir Inc for their construction work on his new pad. Without her the gods wither and grow old, so it's to get her back again that Wotan and Loge slip off to Nibelheim to nick the gold off of Alberich. Charming.

[karlhenning]

Those wacky Teutons! The creators of screwball opera!

[(poco) Sforzando]

Rheingold - she's taken as payment when Wotan won't cough up to Fasolt and Fafnir Inc for their construction work on his new pad.

Actually, she was the initially promised payment (which Wotan never had any intention of honoring) — without which the very large brothers probably wouldn't have built the mansion to begin with, and then Wotan send Loge scrambling all over creation for a substitute.

I think I would enjoy seeing Robbie Coltrane (Hagrid from the Harry Potter films) cast as Fasolt. He would at least be much larger than the giants one sees on stage.

[Guido]

Except that that was done using CGI trickery - he's not actually that tall.

[knight66]

You probably would not much enjoy him singing, though he used to be able to pass as a rock musician.

Mike

[Sergeant Rock]

I think I would enjoy seeing Robbie Coltrane (Hagrid from the Harry Potter films) cast as Fasolt. He would at least be much larger than the giants one sees on stage.

Coincidently, I saw Rheingold last night; a new co-production combing the forces of Ludwigshafen and Halle. There was no attempt to depict F & F as giants. Here they are grabbing Freia (dressed like a 30s Krankenschwester--appropriate, I guess, since she does keep the gods healthy):




Sarge

[Sergeant Rock]

Those wacky Teutons! The creators of screwball opera!

("chortle")

Sarge

[Guido]

Wagner really didn't want to make it easy on his directors did he!

[(poco) Sforzando]

Except that that was done using CGI trickery - he's not actually that tall.

I know. Neither was Frances de la Tour as the French Headmistress. (Of that I can be sure, 'cause I saw her on stage in "The History Boys.")

[mamascarlatti]

In Gounod's Romeo et Juliette, Romeo gets sent into exile after killing Tybalt.

[DavidW]

("chortle")

Sarge

It's not an authentic reproduction of the Henning chortle if you don't use the Georgia font Sarge.

[(poco) Sforzando]

In Gounod's Romeo et Juliette, Romeo gets sent into exile after killing Tybalt.

Very good.

[(poco) Sforzando]

OK, here's another one (and I really can't think of an example): an operatic character who vanishes into thin air, and leaves no trace behind. Again, the more familiar the opera, the better. Thanks.

[Luke]

OK, here's another one (and I really can't think of an example): an operatic character who vanishes into thin air, and leaves no trace behind. Again, the more familiar the opera, the better. Thanks.

Apart from ghosts, you mean? (e.g. Quint at the end of The Turn of the Screw)

[kishnevi]

Apart from ghosts, you mean? (e.g. Quint at the end of The Turn of the Screw)

How about Fiorello in the Barber of Seville.  Apparently,  he's the Count's right hand man at the start;  then after the aubade and choral scene that starts the opera, he exits and is not only not seen again, but never mentioned either. 

[(poco) Sforzando]

Apart from ghosts, you mean? (e.g. Quint at the end of The Turn of the Screw)

Not quite right, but thanks.

[(poco) Sforzando]

How about Fiorello in the Barber of Seville.  Apparently,  he's the Count's right hand man at the start;  then after the aubade and choral scene that starts the opera, he exits and is not only not seen again, but never mentioned either.

Maybe he turns up again as Figaro. But he's too minor a character for anyone to notice or care.

[Guido]

what are these for?