Satie's Socrate

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Sean

It's in the tradition of Dukas's Ariane et barbe-blu, which is to say it skirts profundity through arbitrariness and a semi-Wagnerian attention to detail and beauty that smudges over various objections in terms of invention.

karlhenning


UB

Quote from: Sean on November 22, 2009, 11:29:41 AM
It's in the tradition of Dukas's Ariane et barbe-blu, which is to say it skirts profundity through arbitrariness and a semi-Wagnerian attention to detail and beauty that smudges over various objections in terms of invention.
OK - but do you like it?

Which recording do you have?
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Sean

Escribano is the soloist under Cerha- I've been listening online here, but the audio is no longer available.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00npnd4

UB

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Sean you might like the piano version that enjoy more than the orchestrated version.
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val

QuoteSean

It's in the tradition of Dukas's Ariane et barbe-blu, which is to say it skirts profundity through arbitrariness and a semi-Wagnerian attention to detail and beauty that smudges over various objections in terms of invention.

Ariane et Barbe Bleue is a masterpiece, in special regarding the orchestration.

I don't see the relation with Satie's Socrate. It seems to me that this work tries exactly to free itself from that tradition, with its very simple and severe lines, phrasing, prosody.

Try the version for voice and piano, with the great Hugues Cuénod.

Sean

Quote from: val on November 26, 2009, 02:04:05 AM
Ariane et Barbe Bleue is a masterpiece, in special regarding the orchestration.

I don't see the relation with Satie's Socrate. It seems to me that this work tries exactly to free itself from that tradition, with its very simple and severe lines, phrasing, prosody.

Try the version for voice and piano, with the great Hugues Cuénod.

Hi val, the relation I though was in the wandering nature of the melodic line, probably a misplaced Wagnerianism, and the indeterminate length. I know the Jordan recording of the Dukas- interesting music though his best work remains La peri.

bhodges

Quote from: Sean on November 22, 2009, 11:29:41 AM
It's in the tradition of Dukas's Ariane et barbe-blu, which is to say it skirts profundity through arbitrariness and a semi-Wagnerian attention to detail and beauty that smudges over various objections in terms of invention.

Erm, what this means, I have no idea, but I'm hearing the piece on Sunday for the first time, with James Levine and the MET Chamber Ensemble. 

--Bruce

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karlhenning

Sweet! Skirt some profundity while you're at it, Bruce!

DavidRoss

Quote from: bhodges on October 28, 2010, 01:51:31 PM
Erm, what this means, I have no idea, but I'm hearing the piece on Sunday for the first time, with James Levine and the MET Chamber Ensemble. 

--Bruce
Bruce, how was it?
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karlhenning

And who sang? It's a piece which wants, to be frank, lighter voices than Jimmy is of the habit of working with ; )