Only the New (art)

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Josquin des Prez

Quote from: Philoctetes on November 27, 2010, 09:20:09 PM
For the early morning: Jenny Saville
http://www.brain-juice.com/cgi-bin/show_bio.cgi?p_id=77



Nice form and technique, too bad she is just wasting her virtuosity on such a ridiculously idiotic subject matter. I wonder what a real genius could accomplish with the advanced technique artists have at their disposal this days.

Philoctetes


greg

Very cool style, although in that painting the two people in the middle makes it disgusting.
I sort of like this:



http://www.google.com/images?q=cecily+brown&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1240&bih=683
There seems to be potential in this style that isn't completely realized- or, at least, potential in what I see.

Philoctetes

Quote from: Greg on December 01, 2010, 06:34:59 PM
Very cool style, although in that painting the two people in the middle makes it disgusting.
I sort of like this:



http://www.google.com/images?q=cecily+brown&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1240&bih=683
There seems to be potential in this style that isn't completely realized- or, at least, potential in what I see.

Glad you enjoyed it. Although, it is a bit strange for one so young to be so prudish.

Josquin des Prez



Josquin des Prez

Quote from: Philoctetes on December 01, 2010, 06:40:53 PM
Glad you enjoyed it. Although, it is a bit strange for one so young to be so prudish.

Is it really a forgone conclusion young people this days are indifferent to degenerate filth?

Philoctetes

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on December 01, 2010, 06:45:36 PM
Is it really a forgone conclusion young people this days are indifferent to degenerate filth?

Degenerate filth?

greg

I don't mind the women (at least, if they look good), but when you throw a man in there... just, sorry.  :-\

Still, though, I consider a picture like what I posted more "artistic" than anything involving people screwing each other (even if by the same artist). I like stuff that goes beyond the regular, basic activity of human life (food, sex, etc.) I value stuff that is, for example, cerebral, heroic, cathartic, etc. over stuff that I don't consider art (Porn or magazines with pictures of food). The only thing artistic about that picture is the technique involved- the screwing part isn't art.

Philoctetes

Quote from: Greg on December 01, 2010, 06:55:25 PM
I don't mind the women (at least, if they look good), but when you throw a man in there... just, sorry.  :-\

Still, though, I consider a picture like what I posted more "artistic" than anything involving people screwing each other (even if by the same artist). I like stuff that goes beyond the regular, basic activity of human life (food, sex, etc.) I value stuff that is, for example, cerebral, heroic, cathartic, etc. over stuff that I don't consider art (Porn or magazines with pictures of food). The only thing artistic about that picture is the technique involved- the screwing part isn't art.

That's odd.

That's a very constrictive view of art, and a bit too absolutist for my taste. You leave so much out, and I'm quite the opposite. I want it all in.

Josquin des Prez

Quote from: Philoctetes on December 01, 2010, 06:48:10 PM
Degenerate filth?

Your read it right the first time. Far from being a depiction of "reality" they are just grotesque aberrations befitting of a society which is dying from terminal cancer.


Philoctetes

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on December 01, 2010, 07:26:06 PM
Your read it right the first time. Far from being a depiction of "reality" they are just grotesque aberrations befitting of a society which is dying from terminal cancer.

That seems a bit extreme.

greg

Quote from: Philoctetes on December 01, 2010, 06:57:19 PM
That's odd.

That's a very constrictive view of art, and a bit too absolutist for my taste. You leave so much out, and I'm quite the opposite. I want it all in.
I see what you mean... I also like to art itself to be open to anything, but some things just seem to me to be in poor taste (like, why can't that painting be just two people there, looking at each other)? What part of the brain is the element of two people doing each other supposed to appeal to?

At least in some ways you can cover it up- think of the scene in Seven Samurai where that young samurai is with the village girl- they don't show them screwing, and thus, it manages to remain artistic. She could have put a cloth over them from the waist down in that picture and it wouldn't be any "lesser." Actually, I think it would be better because I wouldn't have any problems with it.  :D

You can apply this to other things, too- though it's all about intention of the artist. I just don't like this aspect. That is all.  :-X

Philoctetes

Quote from: Greg on December 01, 2010, 07:46:51 PM
I see what you mean... I also like to art itself to be open to anything, but some things just seem to me to be in poor taste (like, why can't that painting be just two people there, looking at each other)? What part of the brain is the element of two people doing each other supposed to appeal to?

At least in some ways you can cover it up- think of the scene in Seven Samurai where that young samurai is with the village girl- they don't show them screwing, and thus, it manages to remain artistic. She could have put a cloth over them from the waist down in that picture and it wouldn't be any "lesser." Actually, I think it would be better because I wouldn't have any problems with it.  :D

You can apply this to other things, too- though it's all about intention of the artist. I just don't like this aspect. That is all.  :-X

I suppose I can understand your point of view. I don't hold it, but I do find it bothersome, the way that you word your complaints. Saying what is and isn't art. I know I'm not at that point yet. I'm still at the gazing stage.