Only the New (art)

[Philoctetes]

For the night: Peter Richards
http://greenmuseum.org/content/artist_index/artist_id-115.html

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For the night: Vanessa Beecroft
http://www.vanessabeecroft.com/

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For the night: Gerard Byrne
http://www.gerardbyrne.com/

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For the night: Allan Linder
http://www.allanlinder.com/

[DavidW]

I like the Byrne Philo.

[Philoctetes]

I like the Byrne Philo.

That gives me much pleasure to know. 

[North Star]

[ibanezmonster]

For the night: Allan Linder
http://www.allanlinder.com/

Nice!

[Philoctetes]

What irony?

Nice!

Glad that you liked it.

[North Star]

What irony?

First of all, what defines art, the idea behind it or the work of art itself?
Second, the justification of making naive, popular art and somehow make it have seemingly more depth by saying it's somehow ironic. Sort of like imagining that the Eroica is an ironic portrayal of Napoleon. Which it of course isn't.

Or perhaps you meant to ask what Calvin meant by the snowman being ironic - he probably suggests that life isn't really as idyllic as the snowman makes it seem. That in fact people don't shovel their driveways or whatever.

At least that's how I view this work of art - perhaps the only comic I would really call art.

[Philoctetes]

First of all, what defines art, the idea behind it or the work of art itself?
Second, the justification of making naive, popular art and somehow make it have seemingly more depth by saying it's somehow ironic. Sort of like imagining that the Eroica is an ironic portrayal of Napoleon. Which it of course isn't.

Or perhaps you meant to ask what Calvin meant by the snowman being ironic - he probably suggests that life isn't really as idyllic as the snowman makes it seem. That in fact people don't shovel their driveways or whatever.

At least that's how I view this work of art - perhaps the only comic I would really call art.

Lovely.

So is this definition rigid... of art?

[North Star]

Lovely.

Do I detect irony here, too?

So is this definition rigid... of art?

What exactly do you mean? If you ask whether I think that art is always the work of art itself and not some fancy thought inside the artists mind, then I'd say that the definition is rigid. Of course this doesn't mean that a symphony score inside Mozart's head is not art until it's written down. What I mean is that the idea an artist represents with the work of art is not in itself art. For example, if Shostakovitch planned to write a symphony mocking Stalin, the idea of mocking Stalin is not art.

[Philoctetes]

Do I detect irony here, too?

What exactly do you mean? If you ask whether I think that art is always the work of art itself and not some fancy thought inside the artists mind, then I'd say that the definition is rigid. Of course this doesn't mean that a symphony score inside Mozart's head is not art until it's written down. What I mean is that the idea an artist represents with the work of art is not in itself art. For example, if Shostakovitch planned to write a symphony mocking Stalin, the idea of mocking Stalin is not art.

I'm always ironic.

I see. So art becomes art when actualized?

[Philoctetes]

For the night: Jon Coffelt
http://joncoffelt.com/home.html

[North Star]

I'm always ironic.

I see. So art becomes art when actualized?

Something like that.

And then there's of course the thing that Calvin is hoping to get the approval and money of the bourgeois, while ridiculing them, or at least claiming to do so.

[Philoctetes]

And then there's of course the thing that Calvin is hoping to get the approval and money of the bourgeois.

Wasn't Calvin bourgeois, himself?

[North Star]

Wasn't Calvin bourgeois, himself?

Yes, but he was just trying to appear as more artistic with that statement of the work being ironic - and thus having greater artistic value.

[Philoctetes]

For the night: Rita Ackermann
http://www.ritaackermann.com/

[offbeat]

Katharina Fritsch

[Drasko]

Muntean / Rosenblum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muntean_and_Rosenblum