What is your favourite record of Beethoven's op. 111 ?

[Cato]

Quote from: Cato on January 09, 2011, 02:45:47 PM

    Backhaus is my #1.

Quote from: Mandryka on Today at 08:38:28 AM

There's a very early acoustic recording which is very interesting I think -- if you want I'll post it for you.

Great!  Post away!

[George]

Here in OZ it is 11/11/11 ...

It's November there already? 

Or did you mean 1/11/11?

[PaulSC]

Here in OZ it is 11/11/11 ...

It's November there already? 

Or did you mean 1/11/11?

Australia is ten months ahead because they're south of the equator.

[George]

It's November there already? 

Or did you mean 1/11/11?

Australia is ten months ahead because they're south of the equator.

You're pulling my leg.

http://www.kingzones.org/timezone/australia.php

[Josquin des Prez]

Edwin Fischer. Sound quality is bad though.

Vladimir Feltsman is good if you want to study the contrapuntal texture, but its too bloodless to be good as first choice.

[Sergeant Rock]

Can you tell me the timings on that one? The DG is 10:02 and 20:28.

Barenboim's EMI op.111: 9:42 and 19:29

Sarge

[George]

Barenboim's EMI op.111: 9:42 and 19:29

Sarge

Thanks and good day, buddy! 

[Todd]

I'll have to try that early Op 111. Is it on CD? The Tahra stuff is later than 1947 isn't it? This discography lists three from 1949

Yes, the recording I refer to is on CD.  It's on one of the pirate labels (can't remember which one right now), and it states 1947 as the recording year, though it could be wrong.  It's definitely different than the Tahra recording.  I'll have to dig it up a bit later for more info.

[Mandryka]

Yes, the recording I refer to is on CD.  It's on one of the pirate labels (can't remember which one right now), and it states 1947 as the recording year, though it could be wrong.  It's definitely different than the Tahra recording.  I'll have to dig it up a bit later for more info.

I'd appreciate it if you did as my appetite was whetted by the Op 110. I have had a chance to hear the Tahra 1949 once now -- first impressions are not totally positive.

One very fine and original interpretation which I love, and which I forgot to mention, is Elly Ney's pre war one. The first movement is especially nice because of the complete absence of forceful aggression. The arietta is long and in the spiritual style, if you know what I mean.

[Todd]

I have had a chance to hear the Tahra 1949 once now -- first impressions are not totally positive.

The Tahra set is very uneven, yes, but some of the performances are quite good. 

[PaulSC]

You're pulling my leg.

http://www.kingzones.org/timezone/australia.php

Indeed; perhaps I should have added a smiley...

[George]

Indeed; perhaps I should have added a smiley...

Nah, it made it funnier. Especially because I had to do some googling to make sure I was right. 

[Holden]

It's November there already? 

Or did you mean 1/11/11?

Yes, typo (I must have held down the '1' key a bit too long

Thanks for the Barenboim info Sarge, saved me having to check my CDs.

[ccar]

Yes, the recording I refer to is on CD.  It's on one of the pirate labels (can't remember which one right now), and it states 1947 as the recording year, though it could be wrong.  It's definitely different than the Tahra recording.  I'll have to dig it up a bit later for more info.

The dates of the Gieseking 1949 Beethoven radio recordings (Saarbrucken) issued by Tahra are probably more reliable.  There is also an occasional reference to an old Discocorp LP, with some Scarlatti and Beethoven sonatas – including the Op.111 – possibly from a 1947 Frankfurt radio recording. I never listened to these LP recordings. But I do have an Archipel CD (ARPCD 0244) with an Op.111 recording stating Frankfurt 17 Apr 1947. As far as I can tell from my previous listening this one was identical to the 1949 recording issued by Tahra – there were some differences in the sound quality and only a minor difference in the timings of the second movement (13:45/13:55) but this is probably related with the transfer and not with an actual difference in the performance.

I am curious to know if anyone can confirm another source for a 1947(?) Op. 111 recording. Or if I need to do a more careful A/B listening during the next weekend.           

[Todd]

There is also an occasional reference to an old Discocorp LP, with some Scarlatti and Beethoven sonatas – including the Op.111 – possibly from a 1947 Frankfurt radio recording.

The discography I rely on refers to two recordings, one from 1947 and one from 1949.  (The discography is part of another Tahra set.)  I have the same Archipel disc, and did some quick comparisons of the opening movement between it and the Tahra set, and they are very similar, but they do sound like different recordings.  The end of the Maestoso have what appear to be differences to me.  Perhaps wow & flutter and speed differences make a difference.  The timing differences are very minor, indeed less than the printed timings state. 

[val]

Solomon was extraordinary in the first movement. But in the Arietta no one showed the imagination, the sense of the rhythm, of Friedrich Gulda.

[david-jw]

Solomon was extraordinary in the first movement. But in the Arietta no one showed the imagination, the sense of the rhythm, of Friedrich Gulda.

which version of Gulda 111 do you reccomend Val?

thanks

David

[George]

which version of Gulda 111 do you reccomend Val?

thanks

David

I am not Val, but I give the Brilliant/Amadeo one a big thumbs up.

[Que]

Seconded, though I expect Lubimov will use an old piano for his forthcoming recording. I hope that Paul Komen will finish his cycle.

Lubimov did use a fortepiano - a Graff from 1828 to be exactly - and Christophe Huss at Classicstodayfrance is raving ("Sublime, sublissime") about the recording (on Zig-Zag Territoires). (Yes that is in French, a crooked Google translation HERE )

Q

[Brian]

Lubimov did use a fortepiano - a Graf from 1828 to be exactly - and Christophe Huss at Classicstodayfrance is raving ("Sublime, sublimisse") about the recording (on Zig-Zag Territoires). (Yes that is in French, a crooked Google translation HEREv )

Q

Oh, man. How will I avoid buying this. I think I have to get it.