Great conductors of the 20th century

BorisG · January 30, 2008, 02:01:49 PM

Quote from: rubio on January 30, 2008, 08:52:51 AM
Has anybody here heard the Ancerl? I'm especially interested in the Concertgebouw Dvorak 8, the Martinu 5 and the pieces by some of the more obscure Czech composers.

Yes, and this disappointment was soon culled. The known pieces are easily bested by what is readily available, and a first listen to the obscure quickly told me why they were so.

You are missing nothing, unless an Ancerl completist.

MishaK · February 01, 2008, 08:20:31 AM

Quote from: BorisG on January 30, 2008, 02:01:49 PM
Yes, and this disappointment was soon culled. The known pieces are easily bested by what is readily available, and a first listen to the obscure quickly told me why they were so.

Same verdict applies to the Reiner issue.

RJR · December 26, 2010, 08:48:06 AM

Just listened to the Abendroth Leipzig Orchestra recording of Bruckner's Fourth, First movement. Intense, dramatic, powerful, captivating, overwhelming. Tried to ignore it, but it kept shouting back at me to listen and keep listening.

Daverz · December 26, 2010, 09:12:33 PM

Quote from: BorisG on January 30, 2008, 02:01:49 PM
Yes, and this disappointment was soon culled. The known pieces are easily bested by what is readily available, and a first listen to the obscure quickly told me why they were so.

You are missing nothing, unless an Ancerl completist.

Huh, what? The set is worth it just for the Dvorak 8th with the Concertgebeouw. This was also released on Tahra, I believe. Except for a couple snippets, the other stuff in the set is available on Supraphon. But get this for that Dvorak 8. EDIT: And there's also pretty good live Martinu 5th from Toronto on this set.

RJR · January 02, 2011, 07:04:24 AM

Quote from: Daverz on June 15, 2007, 05:01:41 PM
Here's a survey of the series:

http://www.classicalnotes.net/columns/emiconductors.html

Written and edited by Peter Gutmann. Great stuff. Thank you, Mr. Gutmann.

RJR · January 02, 2011, 07:19:43 AM

Quote from: dirkronk on January 30, 2008, 12:51:45 PM
I've enjoyed some of this series a great deal, and it introduced me to the likes of Malko and Golovanov. However, I too felt that some of the bigger "names" were rather poorly represented in repertoire and was especially miffed that the series petered out before even giving Mengelberg a whisper of a mention. Reminiscent of great pianists left out of the Great Pianists series...

No Mengelberg? What's up with that? Five or six years ago it was almost impossible to find any Mengelberg recordings. Anywhere. I would like to know more about Mengelberg's relationship with the Nazis during WWII. Any diaries lying about? To my knowledge, Karajan joined Hitler Youth at least once, possibly twice.

Dirk

Mandryka · January 02, 2011, 07:47:52 AM

I think the text of Mengelberg's Matthew Passion recording was doctored to make it fit Nazi ideas. I've never bothered to find out the details

I like him a lot -- the Matthew Passion, the Eroica and Schubert 9 especially

Daverz · January 02, 2011, 01:12:06 PM

Herbie was born in 1908 and would have been a bit too old for the Hitler Jugend. He did apparently join the NASDAP twice. EDIT: it appears he only joined once, at least according to Wikipedia.

RJR · January 16, 2011, 05:56:55 AM

Quote from: Daverz on January 02, 2011, 01:12:06 PM
Herbie was born in 1908 and would have been a bit too old for the Hitler Jugend. He did apparently join the NASDAP twice. EDIT: it appears he only joined once, at least according to Wikipedia.

The NAZI youth organization began in 1922. Von Karajan was fourteen years old. A lonely teenager. I was wearing a Ban the Bomb button and listening to Tom Lehrer's 'So long mom, I've off to drop the bomb' at the age of fourteen. Different strokes for different folks. Who knows how deep his convictions really were? Many people collaborated just to afford themselves some form of protection, or immunity. Furtwangler got the worse treatment of all the German conductors. The self-appointed American justice tribunal hounded him so much that it seriously affected his mental and physical health and sent him to an early grave.

RJR · January 25, 2011, 02:53:06 PM

Quote from: Mensch on June 15, 2007, 02:08:57 PM
It's a fine series, though there is some duplication among other issues. I missed the Kubelik set and am still hunting for it. Anyone know where it is available?

My favorites in this series, apart from the Markevitch, include Schuricht (who has hands down my favorite Bruckner 8th - incredible performance with the VPO) and Mravinsky. The Boult set is surprisingly good with a fiery and very compelling Frank Symphony in D. I found the Argenta and Reiner issues disappointing. Not particularly good choices of repertoire or performances.

Did you ever find the Kubelik Dvorak 9th?
If not, you can find it here:
http://www.europarchive.org/results.php?query=Dvorak&additional=&x=0&y=0

ajlee · January 25, 2011, 04:11:48 PM

I very much want the Bohm set from that series, which includes lives performances of Bruckner 7 and Schubert 9, both supposedly awesome! Does BRO have it, too? I tried searching it but don't think I found it.

MishaK · January 26, 2011, 07:08:20 AM

Quote from: RJR on January 25, 2011, 02:53:06 PM
Did you ever find the Kubelik Dvorak 9th?
If not, you can find it here:
http://www.europarchive.org/results.php?query=Dvorak&additional=&x=0&y=0

"Your search did not match any items in the Archive. Try different keywords or a more general search."

Opus106 · January 26, 2011, 07:14:34 AM

Quote from: Mensch on January 26, 2011, 07:08:20 AM
"Your search did not match any items in the Archive. Try different keywords or a more general search."

Scroll down a bit on the page that RJR linked to, it's there.

MishaK · January 26, 2011, 07:32:01 AM

Quote from: Opus106 on January 26, 2011, 07:14:34 AM
Scroll down a bit on the page that RJR linked to, it's there.

Nope.

This may have to do with these silly copyright restrictions that prevent is folks stateside from hearing this stuff.

Opus106 · January 26, 2011, 07:46:31 AM

Quote from: Mensch on January 26, 2011, 07:32:01 AM
Nope.

This may have to do with these silly copyright restrictions that prevent is folks stateside from hearing this stuff.

I see nothing about restrictions in their T&C, and considering that they want to make the archives as universally accessible as possible, I doubt whether that is the reason. Anyway, here's the link to the WAV file*. Kubelik and your home band.

*Getting a time-out message at the time of this post.

MishaK · January 26, 2011, 08:02:48 AM

Quote from: Opus106 on January 26, 2011, 07:46:31 AM
I see nothing about restrictions in their T&C, and considering that they want to make the archives as universally accessible as possible, I doubt whether that is the reason. Anyway, here's the link to the WAV file*. Kubelik and your home band.

If that's the Mercury recording, I have that.

Opus106 · January 26, 2011, 08:09:25 AM

Quote from: Mensch on January 26, 2011, 08:02:48 AM
If that's the Mercury recording, I have that.

I think I can just about make out "Mercury Classics" in the top right of the tiny image they've provided.

RJR · January 28, 2011, 07:49:42 AM

Quote from: Mensch on January 26, 2011, 07:08:20 AM
"Your search did not match any items in the Archive. Try different keywords or a more general search."

To Mensch,
I just clicked on the address link for The European Archive and I got through with no problem. Oh, Canada! Our home and native land...

RJR · January 28, 2011, 07:52:58 AM

Quote from: Gustav on January 30, 2008, 09:34:21 AM
I think the one on Kempe has a rare Bruckner's 4th.

It sure does.

MishaK · January 28, 2011, 07:53:07 AM

Quote from: ajlee on January 25, 2011, 04:11:48 PM
I very much want the Bohm set from that series, which includes lives performances of Bruckner 7 and Schubert 9, both supposedly awesome! Does BRO have it, too? I tried searching it but don't think I found it.

I'm not sure which Bruckner 7 is on the Böhm set, but if you're looking for a stupendous Bruckner 7 with Böhm, you should get this, which is much more easily available.

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