Volkmann, Fuchs, Reinecke, Raff, Rott, Ries,...???

[snyprrr]

Can anyone help me with the Short List of Composers who either follow LvB, or Brahms? Who's good, who's Great? I just heard a PQ by Reinecke that didn't really do it for me. Is there a reason some of dees guys aren't as well known? There's just... so... many... of them...

I must say that I heard Raff's PQ on YouTube, and WOW!, it was the best thing I've heard!

These are all the guys working up to Faure and Taneyev?

I suspect Josh Lilly can...

[Archaic Torso of Apollo]

The only one I know out of your list is Volkmann. Since you are a string 4tet fanatic, check him out. He wrote 6 of 'em, and they're actually really good. CPO did a complete cycle.

CPO also recorded his symphonies. I think Borodin ripped off the opening of Volkmann's 1st for his own 2nd.

[The new erato]

Robert Fuchs is my bet. Solid chamber music close to Brahms in style and of very fine quality from the couple of discs I've heard.

[snyprrr]

Robert Fuchs is my bet. Solid chamber music close to Brahms in style and of very fine quality from the couple of discs I've heard.

The only one I know out of your list is Volkmann. Since you are a string 4tet fanatic, check him out. He wrote 6 of 'em, and they're actually really good. CPO did a complete cycle.

CPO also recorded his symphonies. I think Borodin ripped off the opening of Volkmann's 1st for his own 2nd.

Thanks! Do you agree that there's a plethora of Composers under the surface, that could seriously damage someone's pocketbook, if they were so inclined? Or, do a few, well deserved, Masterworks, rise to the top? I have heard a lot of Piano Quintets lately that go on and on, modulating and developing all the way, in that stereotypically Victorian(?) sounding way. Do we add Marx, Schilling, Korngold, and who else?, to the list? How many of these guys aaare there?

[The new erato]

I guess Volkmar Andare should be added. And Schreker. And a recent aquisition of Hans Pfitzner's orchestral songs on cpo was simply outstanding.

[snyprrr]

I guess Volkmar Andare should be added. And Schreker. And a recent aquisition of Hans Pfitzner's orchestral songs on cpo was simply outstanding.

I'm counting Schreker and Pfitzner with the Hindemith Generation,... just because they're more well known amongst us here (who ELSE is there? ), and well,... just because!

In a way, I'll add Bruch's Late Works (up until 1920?) to the general Thread Idea: generally Unknown Works in the 'Victorian/Brahmsian' Model. I'm counting on that this type of Music went the way of the do-do after WWI/1919,...only to really die after WW2, with Pfitzner,... and then, Ultimately, with Hindemith in 1963.

I'd count Schreker and Pfitzner more with Myaskovsky, though, they all still DO represent the VeryVery Tail End of what I'm looking for here. I'm still concentrtating on the Composers whose ArtisticLife didn't make it through WW1, not WW2 (similar, but not quite). Elgar, too...but he's too famous.

And, this ain't no Frenchy Thang, either, I think, is it? The only ones  I can think of that fit the mold here are Ropartz and D'Indy, and the like (Magnard).

[The new erato]

I'm counting Schreker and Pfitzner with the Hindemith Generation,... just because they're more well known amongst us here (who ELSE is there? ), and well,... just because!

No No No. Stylistically they are much closer to Korngold (which you brought up), and Pfitzner anyway was born 25 years before Korngold/Hindemith (and Schreker close to 20 years before them).

[Ten thumbs]

If you're beginning post-Beethoven, I suggest you look into Louis Spohr and also Onslow before worrying about WW1, which was a long time into the future!

[Archaic Torso of Apollo]

Thanks! Do you agree that there's a plethora of Composers under the surface, that could seriously damage someone's pocketbook, if they were so inclined? Or, do a few, well deserved, Masterworks, rise to the top?

I've actually stayed away from deep exploration of this period, because there's an awful lot and it's hard to know where to start. I've dipped into Reicha, Spohr, Volkmann, one or two others, and found stuff that I liked...masterworks like LvB or Brahms at their best? Can't say I've found them; but I wasn't exactly looking for stuff on that level.

[snyprrr]

I've actually stayed away from deep exploration of this period, because there's an awful lot and it's hard to know where to start. I've dipped into Reicha, Spohr, Volkmann, one or two others, and found stuff that I liked...masterworks like LvB or Brahms at their best? Can't say I've found them; but I wasn't exactly looking for stuff on that level.

Weeding the Romantic Garden is a task, no?

If you're beginning post-Beethoven, I suggest you look into Louis Spohr and also Onslow before worrying about WW1, which was a long time into the future!

I still haven't heard post-1850 Spohr (which would suit my purpose here), though, he IS the very definition of Conservative. I have sampled Onslow's String Quintets from @1853,... which is also around the time that the Schubert Quintet was 'first' performed, no?


I will say that the Raff PQ (1862) Most Certainly fit my bill as a Lost Masterpiece,... I mean, I'm willing to put Late Schumann in this Category, just to further muddy the waters.


Technically, and only technically,... Brahms only really begins to speak to me around the Clarinet Quintet, and, actually, the Perfection of the Autumnal Sound is part of what I'm going for here (the Myaskovskian, 'irretrievably Lost' sound,... in its later guise), a la Faure, perhaps.

[snyprrr]

No No No. Stylistically they are much closer to Korngold (which you brought up), and Pfitzner anyway was born 25 years before Korngold/Hindemith (and Schreker close to 20 years before them).

ok ok . Pfitzner's Late Music certainly is The Last Time I hear the sounds that I'm pointing at, but, I'm going on the ASSumption that the 2 Wars were like HammerBlows to the 'Tradition',... and, let's say, Elgar's 'transformation' after WW1 corresponds to the first DeathBlow, and Pfitzner's Late Music represents the Second?

I mean, WHO is still writing TrueRomanticMusic in 1949-1969? Who is still writing TrueRomanticMusic between 1919-1939? (Schmidt, for one)

However, one Generation's 'throwback' was fresh at SOME time, no?

oy, I ask a lot of questions...

[mc ukrneal]

Your list actually encompasses a good bulk of the romantic period. Here is a link to a list of composers that you may find useful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Romantic_composers. There is a tremendous amount of music from this period, and I am not sure what you might like not knowing your tastes. Here are a few I have recommended in the past (but tastes may differ):

Burgmuller (Symphony No. 1)
Czerny (contemportary of Beethoven, Symphonies 2 and 6)
Field (if you like Chopin, you will probably like him - could start with a piano concerto or piano works)
Smetana (recent Chandos discs, orchestral works)
Gottschalk (more piano, a bit different in style - would suggest listening to a few of the excerpts from the Hyperion collection)
Bruch (Violin concertos)

I like Reicha's piano concertos - but not sure if you will like them if you did not like what you already tried. Onslow and Ries have some nice symphonies. Ries also have some light (but good) piano concertos. You could try a Naxos disc - not too expensive. There are certainly many other recommendations that could be made depending on your likes. Not sure how you view Weber, but if you are not familiar with him, would put him close to the top of the list to try.

[Lethevich]

I have a fondness for Volkmann's quartets, and would like to add Friedrich Gernsheim (1839–1916) to the list. Everything he wrote was solid, the symphonies very fine, and his quintets and quartets for piano are great stuff if you like Dvořák.

[snyprrr]

Your list actually encompasses a good bulk of the romantic period. Here is a link to a list of composers that you may find useful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Romantic_composers. There is a tremendous amount of music from this period, and I am not sure what you might like not knowing your tastes. Here are a few I have recommended in the past (but tastes may differ):

Burgmuller (Symphony No. 1)
Czerny (contemportary of Beethoven, Symphonies 2 and 6)
Field (if you like Chopin, you will probably like him - could start with a piano concerto or piano works)
Smetana (recent Chandos discs, orchestral works)
Gottschalk (more piano, a bit different in style - would suggest listening to a few of the excerpts from the Hyperion collection)
Bruch (Violin concertos)

I like Reicha's piano concertos - but not sure if you will like them if you did not like what you already tried. Onslow and Ries have some nice symphonies. Ries also have some light (but good) piano concertos. You could try a Naxos disc - not too expensive. There are certainly many other recommendations that could be made depending on your likes. Not sure how you view Weber, but if you are not familiar with him, would put him close to the top of the list to try.

Y'know, I KNOW all the names, but I seem to love confusing myself. That IS a lot of 'famous' names that all seem to mush together for me, haha! I don't know why I make it so hard?

[snyprrr]

I have a fondness for Volkmann's quartets, and would like to add Friedrich Gernsheim (1839–1916) to the list. Everything he wrote was solid, the symphonies very fine, and his quintets and quartets for piano are great stuff if you like Dvořák.

I was checking out those SQs on CPO. Four minor keys!!! One cd has f-minor and c-minor, and the other has e-minor and a-minor (the third being major keys). Which would you recommend?

[Archaic Torso of Apollo]

I was checking out those SQs on CPO. Four minor keys!!! One cd has f-minor and c-minor, and the other has e-minor and a-minor (the third being major keys). Which would you recommend?

I've got the one with nos. 2 and 5 (F minor & G minor), and I'm completely happy with it. A long-ago poster with a similar quartet obsession to yours said that the entire cycle is solid. So you may want to start anywhere.

[Lethevich]

His fifth is my favourite, although only because I remember a few of the more striking moments - as a whole the cycle is very consistent and it's hard to pick out single ones.

[snyprrr]

His fifth is my favourite, although only because I remember a few of the more striking moments - as a whole the cycle is very consistent and it's hard to pick out single ones.

Yes, I think g-minor will have to be the way to go! Thanks.