Who is "greater" Bach or Beethoven?

[RJR]

J. S. Bach lived in a different historical period. He composed music as a tribute to Almighty God. Beethoven lived during the Napoleonic Wars. Revolution was in the air, as well the noise and smoke of artillery shells.  It was the beginning of the Enlightenment and it was also a period of political repression and secret police. New ideas were being brought forward from such luminaries as Kant, Hegel and Schiller. Beethoven's music aptly expressed this new world and still does to this day. Each was great for his time. Even so, my love for classical music began and took off with the music of Beethoven and it shall always remain that way. Although we live more in a Beethovenian world than we do in a Bachian one I think a combination of the two makes for a very solid foundation to shape ones secular and spiritual life. We could say that Bach was a Spiritual-Secularist and that Beethoven was a Secular-Spiritualist.

[Gurn Blanston]

Whilst I don't gainsay your statement, do you not think it will cause confusion to have 2 simultaneous threads with the same name (except for the terser punctuation in yours, of course)?

[(poco) Sforzando]

Whilst I don't gainsay your statement, do you not think it will cause confusion to have 2 simultaneous threads with the same name (except for the terser punctuation in yours, of course)?

Yes, but Greg's thread correctly uses the comma. He even places it properly inside the closing quotation mark.

[Gurn Blanston]

Yes, but Greg's thread correctly uses the comma. He even places it properly inside the closing quotation mark.

I know. I was trying to avoid being judgmental.   Greg is such a good lad.  0:)

[mahler10th]

wtf? again?  Bizzare.

[Antoine Marchand]

Yes, but Greg's thread correctly uses the comma. He even places it properly inside the closing quotation mark.

I agree, Greg correctly uses the comma, but I don't understand why the comma should be put inside the quotation mark. I think that's wrong, or am I wrong maybe? 

[Scarpia]

I agree, Greg correctly uses the comma, but I don't understand why the comma should be put inside the quotation mark. I think that's wrong, or am I wrong maybe? 

As far as I know the old-fashioned rule that you will find in style books is that the comma always goes inside the quotes.  Advocates for avant-guard punctuation seem to challenge this custom.

[Opus106]

As far as I know the old-fashioned rule that you will find in style books is that the comma always goes inside the quotes.  Advocates for avant-guard punctuation seem to challenge this custom.

Internet says it's "American." Not just commas, even full-stops go inside. (I've sometimes been confused whether to put them inside or out.) The avant-guard is actually the old guard way of doing it, i.e. British.

[mahler10th]

Well, this useless post has helped me understand the placement of parenthesis in both US English and proper English.  I was taught the proper way.  But what the batons is this post doing RJR?          You haven't brought anything any of us didin't know to the table already.

[Antoine Marchand]

As far as I know the old-fashioned rule that you will find in style books is that the comma always goes inside the quotes.  Advocates for avant-guard punctuation seem to challenge this custom.

Interesting! Apparently, the American English has some weird rules at this respect. So Greg is right.   

"Quotation Marks: Where Do the Commas and Periods Go--and Why?"

http://grammartips.homestead.com/inside.html

[Scarpia]

Well, this useless post has helped me understand the placement of parenthesis in both US English and proper English.  I was taught the proper way.  But what the batons is this post doing RJR?          You haven't brought anything any of us didin't know to the table already.

We can hope that RJR will go back to something more useful, like finding threads that have been idle for several years and answering a question posed by someone who has since quit the board.   

Well, this useless post has helped me understand the placement of parenthesis in both US English and proper English.  I was taught the proper way.  But what the batons is this post doing RJR?          You haven't brought anything any of us didin't know to the table already.

Do I take it that what we Americans call "quotes" you call "parenthesis?"  (Yes, we put question marks inside them too.)

[Florestan]

I agree, Greg correctly uses the comma, but I don't understand why the comma should be put inside the quotation mark. I think that's wrong, or am I wrong maybe? 

I think it's wrong, too. Well, at least in Romanian is wrong, but I should have thought it wrong in English too.

[greg]

Interesting! Apparently, the American English has some weird rules at this respect. So Greg is right.   

"Quotation Marks: Where Do the Commas and Periods Go--and Why?"

http://grammartips.homestead.com/inside.html

Wow, didn't know that the British don't do it like this. Of course, if I saw it I probably wouldn't think anything of it, but what do the British do? Omit it or put it right after the quotations?

I think it's wrong, too. Well, at least in Romanian is wrong, but I should have thought it wrong in English too.

It's correct in my country.

[Florestan]

Interesting! Apparently, the American English has some weird rules at this respect. So Greg is right.   

"Quotation Marks: Where Do the Commas and Periods Go--and Why?"

http://grammartips.homestead.com/inside.html

Yes, but still: Who is "greater," Bach or Beethoven do seem awkwardly illogical to me. 

[Guido]

J. S. Bach lived in a different historical period. He composed music as a tribute to Almighty God. Beethoven lived during the Napoleonic Wars. Revolution was in the air, as well the noise and smoke of artillery shells.  It was the beginning of the Enlightenment and it was also a period of political repression and secret police. New ideas were being brought forward from such luminaries as Kant, Hegel and Schiller. Beethoven's music aptly expressed this new world and still does to this day. Each was great for his time. Even so, my love for classical music began and took off with the music of Beethoven and it shall always remain that way. Although we live more in a Beethovenian world than we do in a Bachian one I think a combination of the two makes for a very solid foundation to shape ones secular and spiritual life. We could say that Bach was a Spiritual-Secularist and that Beethoven was a Secular-Spiritualist.

When do you think the enlightenment was?

We could say that Bach was a Spiritual-Secularist and that Beethoven was a Secular-Spiritualist.

I like that bit, but behind it is the fact that Bach was a man of the Enlightenment.

[Gurn Blanston]

OK, well we aren't going to have 2 topics with the same subject. I left this unlocked because the discussion was centering on grammar. However, RJR (the OP) reposted his initial post in the established thread on this topic (with virtually the same name), so if someone wants to reply to him, please do it there.

Thanks,