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Re: Composers who died young
« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2015, 11:06:40 PM »
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Re: Composers who died young
« Reply #41 on: March 02, 2015, 05:38:33 AM »
I'm sure you are partly right, but being drunk and playing great is not possible, the human body does not work that way, not even a Finnish one. The legend of Sibelius being a hard core alcoholic may have been true at some point of his life, but staying alive that long... his liver must have been more of a miracle in the field of medicine than all his symphonies put together in the musical one.

I am not young either, but I think alcoholism is hardly admired anymore, in any field of expertise. There are sad examples of course who suffer from it, but they are considered... well sad. Not tolerated well, no matter how talented. It's a hard core world, (unfortunately) too hard for hard core drunks.

There's an story that when Solti was recording Rheinegold, he wasn't satisfied with the way they were playing the overture, so he ordered some champagne, got them drunk, and bish bash bosh Bob's your uncle - fabulous performance.

Nikolai Demidenko gave some of the greatest Schumann recitals ever when he was totally pissed, in the Wigmore Hall about 20 years ago. I was on the front row and I could smell the booze.

I'm interested in the way substance induced altered states of mind inspire great art.
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Re: Composers who died young
« Reply #42 on: March 02, 2015, 06:40:19 AM »
No one has mentioned Hans Rott? I really liked his symphony when I heard it a few months ago.
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« Reply #43 on: March 02, 2015, 09:21:01 AM »
Agree about Lili Boulanger - a real tragedy. Also, Kurka, George Butterworth, Farrar, Finzi, Magnard.
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Re: Composers who died young
« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2015, 09:02:38 AM »
I need to explore some of Vivier's music as I heard it is quite good. Wasn't he a Spectralist?
Yes.  I have (or had; long story) his opera Marco Polo on DVD, and it is very interesting and very good.  Among other features, the instrumentalists (not in traditional "orchestra" numbers or configuration by any means) are expected to interact with the singers on stage. :o 8) ;D
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« Reply #45 on: March 04, 2015, 04:49:53 PM »
Yes.  I have (or had; long story) his opera Marco Polo on DVD, and it is very interesting and very good.  Among other features, the instrumentalists (not in traditional "orchestra" numbers or configuration by any means) are expected to interact with the singers on stage. :o 8) ;D

Pretty strange stuff, jochanaan.

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Not sure if he's been mentioned yet, but E. J. Moeran died in his 50s. Surely, he would have went on and composed a lot more music.
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« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2015, 08:47:31 AM »
Pretty strange stuff, jochanaan.

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Not sure if he's been mentioned yet, but E. J. Moeran died in his 50s. Surely, he would have went on and composed a lot more music.

Perhaps but I think that Moeran was going a bit 'off the rails' by the time he fell off the pier at Kenmare.
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« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2015, 09:02:11 AM »
I think 55 cannot really count as "dying young" although it seems rather early for 20th century standards. The threshold is about 40, I'd say. Tragic as his decline and death were, I would not claim that Robert Schumann died "young" (at 46).
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« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2015, 11:11:48 AM »
Perhaps but I think that Moeran was going a bit 'off the rails' by the time he fell off the pier at Kenmare.

Interesting. I'm not familiar with this story. When and how did Moeran fall off a pier?
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« Reply #49 on: July 26, 2015, 05:41:11 AM »
Lili Boulanger and Lekeu are the first two names that comes to mind, although I suspect that had they both lived long lives, Boulanger would have given us more great music than Lekeu.

I don't agree. I think Lekeu would have continued to develop his idiom and while it may not have been as modernistic perhaps as Boulanger's at least we know where his heart is, especially when he says things such as this: "Joy is a thousand times harder to paint than suffering". My kind of composer.
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« Reply #50 on: July 26, 2015, 06:01:38 AM »
Hans Rott certainly must be mentioned again.

Julius Reubke must also not be forgotten.

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« Reply #51 on: July 31, 2015, 09:49:57 PM »
Interesting. I'm not familiar with this story. When and how did Moeran fall off a pier?

Sorry John, just saw this. Many people thought that Moeran must have been drunk when he fell into the sea off the pier at Kenmare as he had an alcohol problem but I think that a post-mortem revealed that he'd had a heart attack. Sadly, he was not very balanced at the time ( no sick pun intended ). W Denis Browne was another who died much too young (killed in World War One).
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« Reply #52 on: August 02, 2015, 07:57:28 AM »
Sorry John, just saw this. Many people thought that Moeran must have been drunk when he fell into the sea off the pier at Kenmare as he had an alcohol problem but I think that a post-mortem revealed that he'd had a heart attack. Sadly, he was not very balanced at the time ( no sick pun intended ). W Denis Browne was another who died much too young (killed in World War One).

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« Reply #53 on: August 04, 2015, 02:37:21 AM »
I think 55 cannot really count as "dying young" although it seems rather early for 20th century standards. The threshold is about 40, I'd say. Tragic as his decline and death were, I would not claim that Robert Schumann died "young" (at 46).

Yes, young/early can be used interchangeably sometimes on threads like this.  Often it amounts to the same thing though in that people tend to be arguing over who would have produced the most substantial output had they lived longer.

Maybe a different view would be to contrast those who had promise but were never able to really bring it to fruition (died very young in their composing career) and those who did reach great standards but could have given us much more (died early before their muse had dried up). 

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« Reply #54 on: September 08, 2021, 12:04:01 PM »
G.B. Pergolesi (1710-1736).

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« Reply #55 on: September 08, 2021, 12:11:04 PM »
William Baines (23, more than 150 works, including some fine piano music)  wasn't mentioned.

Arvid Kleven (29), a Norwegian.
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« Reply #56 on: September 08, 2021, 12:34:15 PM »
Vítězslava Kaprálová was a massive talent who died aged 25.  I haven't heard the recent Naxos discs but her music that was recorded on older Supraphon discs is of real distinction


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« Reply #57 on: September 08, 2021, 03:17:11 PM »
Vítězslava Kaprálová was a massive talent who died aged 25.  I haven't heard the recent Naxos discs but her music that was recorded on older Supraphon discs is of real distinction



How did she die so young?   :(

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« Reply #58 on: September 08, 2021, 05:51:09 PM »
How did she die so young?   :(

Tuberculosis I believe.
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« Reply #59 on: September 08, 2021, 05:59:50 PM »
Tuberculosis I believe.

The Kapralova Society website (credited in above photo) is extensive, I've visited some pages before.

Website claims that the cause of death is not clear:

Main page says Despite her untimely death in 1940, from what was misdiagnosed as miliary tuberculosis, Kapralova left behind an impressive body of work.

Footnote 10 on the Life page says The latest research into possible causes of Kapralova’s death suggests that she may have died of typhoid fever, caused by S. typhi bacteria. I am indebted to Dr Philip Mackowiak, professor emeritus of University of Maryland School of Medicine, for making this educated guess as to the etiology of Kapralova’s fatal illness, which is based on Kapralova’s original medical record from Saint-Eloi clinic in Montpellier, France.