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Offline ccar

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Maria Grinberg
« on: May 21, 2011, 11:32:39 AM »
                                                       


Maria Israelevna Grinberg was one the great interpreters of the 20th century. Born in Odessa, in 1908, she received the first piano lessons from her mother and in 1926 she enters the Moscow Conservatory as a pupil of Blumenfeld and later of Igumnov. In 1935 she attends a recital of Artur Schnabel which she recalls as a musical turning point and the beginning of her life long dedication to Beethoven. By then, her talent was already widely recognized and she had begun a soloist career. But in 1937 her father and husband were arrested and executed as “enemies of the people” and Maria Grinberg was persecuted and removed from all her posts. Even after Stalin’s death she was only allowed to give a few recitals abroad, where she was acclaimed and compared to a Rubinstein or a Clara Haskil. But in spite of her artistry the Soviet establishment continued to boycott her international career until the end of her life, in 1978.

The more well-known recordings of Maria Grinberg are probably the complete set of Beethoven sonatas. http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,15745.msg389124.html#msg389124
These recordings were released in the 1970’s and are more easily available in CD. But her recording legacy is much wider, including some earlier takes of the Beethoven sonatas and many other recordings of Bach, Schubert, Schumann, Brahms, Shostakovich, Mozart, Chopin, Liszt, Grieg, Rachmaninov, Prokofiev, Debussy, Mendelssohn, Bartok, Scarlatti, Seixas, Soler, Glinka, Medtner, Granados, Franck, Bizet, Saint-Saens, etc.   
 
For me, Maria Grinberg is one of the most “intense” piano interpreters I know. The intensity I mean is not only in the strength of the colors or sound she projects, nor in any obvious dynamic or tempi effects. And she is not a kind of freely expressionist poet, like a Sofronitsky, has not the transparency of a Gilels, nor the sense of constant phrase discovery of a Richer. Her artistry is perhaps more unapparent. But, somehow, she seems to look at the inside of the music. Her tone is constantly shaped as to give the most subtle color changes for each note or part. The phrasing is always imaginative but naturally designed, with the musical expression built with impressive strength but always within architectural sense. And, for me, there is always some kind of a surprise in her approach to most pieces – she usually begins with an understated, almost timid, emotional restrain but she very rapidly progresses to a very “intense” and deep reading. 

The recordings of Maria Grinberg have been published mostly by Melodiya and Denon but many are OOP. Recently, Vista Vera is publishing a Maria Grinberg Edition which may turn her recordings more easily available and help to fulfill her own words – “I’ll get it all, after I die”.

Maybe others in the GMG would like to share their comments about Maria Grinberg and her available interpretations/recordings.   
                     

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Re: Maria Grinberg
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2011, 01:05:24 PM »
I have plenty of discs by her apart from the Beethoven sonata cycle - which I find uneven, too, but certainly worth listening to. Her op.111 is excellent, I think.
Then, for instance, there is a fantastic Chopin disc by her on Denon (featuring Ballades, Mazurkas, Variations brillantes and the Tarantella). Somebody else knows that one?

EDIT: she is not a love at first-sight, certainly. She needs time.
EDIT2: I think I have a different edition of the Beethoven sonatas on Melodiya from that of Todd.. mine is: Melodiya MELCD 10 0823-10 0831. Release year: 2006.
The sound in my version is totally OK.
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Re: Maria Grinberg
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2011, 02:41:42 PM »
Then, for instance, there is a fantastic Chopin disc by her on Denon (featuring Ballades, Mazurkas, Variations brillantes and the Tarantella). Somebody else knows that one?

Certainly one of Maria Grinberg's most beautiful discs. The Ballades (No.1,3,4) are among the most impressive recordings ever of these works and the Mazurkas are played with immense character and imagination.   

                                                                 
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2011, 03:45:28 PM »
I don't own a thing by her. Must remedy that. Or maybe someone will upload some of those OOP CDs...  0:)
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2011, 10:28:43 PM »
I don't own a thing by her. Must remedy that. Or maybe someone will upload some of those OOP CDs...  0:)

Well all these recordings are out of copyright so they can be morally posted in a public place I suppose:


Arensky : Fantasie on a theme by  I. Ryabinin, opus 48 (20/12/1947) USSR State Radioinformation Symphony Orchestra, Sergei Gorchakov.

Glinka : Andalusian Dance, Walte, Children’s polka, Mazurka (1959) Mazurka, Farewell Waltz (13/06/1959)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RWSXPTQ2


BACH.
Capriccio “Sopra la lontanaza del suo fratello dilettissimo” BWV 992 (1951)
4 Duettos BWV 802 à 805 (1948)

http://hotfile.com/dl/88271543/4aa2c9a/Grinberg_Bach.rar.html


Ludwig van Beethoven Concerto 2

Concerto 2, Moscow Radio Symphony Orchestra, Kirill Kondrashin (1947)

http://hotfile.com/dl/88974605/de59f4f/BeethCon2_Grinberg.rar.html


Concerto N°5, Ludwig van Beethoven
Rondo a capriccio opus 129 (1952)

Moscow Radio Symphonie Orchestra, Kurt Sanderling.
1949
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BJMHTNM0



Beethoven, Concerto n°3  Moscow Radio Symphony Orchestra,  Kurt Sanderling (1952)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=M8T5R7DJ





sonata n°8, opus 13 “Pathétique” (1951)
Sonata n°14, opus 27 n°2 “Moonlight” (1959)

http://hotfile.com/dl/88318447/ccd79e3/Beethoven_Grinberg.rar.html

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BIZET

Chants du Rhin (1951)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Q2BDMYJ2



USSR Bolshoi Theatre Quartet (Isaak Zhuk, Boris Weltman, Mikhail Gourvich, Isaak Bouravsky) (7/05/1946)

Borodin : Quintet.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NY94TV5L



Chopin.
Ballade n°1 op.23 (1952) Ballade n°3 op.47 (1950)
Mazurkas op.6 n°2 à 4 (1949)
Mazurkas op.68 n°3, op.67 n°1 et 2 (1951)
Variations brillantes op.12 (1948)
Tarentella op.43 (1950)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1YY0Y3J9
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http://hotfile.com/dl/88703130/dee9ec0/Chopin_Grinberg.rar.html



Franz Liszt : Sonata en si mineur (1952) - Rhapsodie espagnole (1951)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JKQAYBVQ



Anatoly LYADOV
Etudes op. 5, 37, 12 et 40. (1950)
Variations on a Polish Theme, op. 51 (1947)


http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D21MEWL1


Mendelssohn.

Fantaisie opus 28 (1951)
Scherzo capriccio (1950)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EATGQEGN




Schumann : Kinderszenen (1951) -  Bunte Blätter (Extracts) (1947)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YD7FMYLE



Schumann :Piano Concerto  USSR Symphony Orchestra,  Karl Eliasberg (1958)

http://hotfile.com/dl/88302881/6310028/SchumannConc_Grinberg.rar.html




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Re: Maria Grinberg
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2011, 10:35:38 PM »
DENON

Beethoven / Schubert (2CD)


Beethoven (1965)
Sonata n°10 op. 14 n°2
Sonata n°12 opus 26
32 Variations WoO. 80
Rondo op.51 n°2
Sonata n°8 op.13 "Pathétique"
Ecossaises WoO. 83
Allegretto de la Sonatan°9 op.14 n°1

Schubert (1974)
Sonata n°13 D.664
4 Impromptus op. 90, D. 899
Waltzes, Ländler & Deutsche Tänze (sélection par Grinberg)

Chopin


Ballade n°1 op.23 (1952) Ballade n°3 op.47 (1950) Ballade n°4 op.52 (1961)
Mazurkas op.6 n°2 à 4 (1949) Mazurkas op.30 n°3, op.33 n°1, op.50 n°1, op.63 n°2 (1961) Mazurkas op.68 n°3, op.67 n°1 et 2 (1951)
Variations brillantes op.12 (1948)
Tarentella op.43 (1950)


Mendelssohn


16 Romances sans paroles (1967 et 1968)
Fantasy opus 28 (1951)
Scherzo a capriccio (1950)


Mozart


Sonata n°12 K.332 (1967)
Sonata n°17, K.576 (1961)
Sonata n°18, K.533/494 (1970)
12 Variations K.500 (1960)
Fantasie K.396 (1963)

Schumann


Kinderszenen, op.15(1951)
10 extracts from Bunte Blätter, op.99 (1947)

13 Etudes symphoniques (1961)
Frühlonggsnacht (Liszt) et Widmung (Liszt) (1950)

Russian Programme


Lyadov : Etudes op.5, op.37, op.12, op.40 (1950) - Variations on a Polish Theme  op.51 (1947)
Prokofiev : Scherzo op.12 n°10 (1953)
Medtner : 2 Märchen op.20 (1961) - 6 pièces du cycle "Vergessene Weisen" (1948) - Sonata op.22 (1948)
Rachmaninov : Morceau de fantaisie (1952) - Liebeslied (1952)

Bizet / Debussy (The Art of Maria Grinberg, vol.13 - French Music)


Bizet : Chants du Rhin (1951)
Debussy : La soirée dans Grenade - Voiles - Des pas sur la neige - La sérénade interrompue - Ce qu'a vu le vent d'ouest - La fille aux cheveux de lin - La danse de Puck - Minstrels - Feux d'artifice (1961)
6 Epigraphes antiques arrangés pour deux pianos par Maria Grinberg, n)1 à 3 et 6. Nika Zabavnikova, piano. (1961)

Grieg / Granados / Franck / Wagner-Liszt (The art of Maria Grinberg, Vol.17) - 1949/1961


Grieg : Holberg suite, opus 40 - Butterfly op.43 n°1 - Poetic tone-pictures, opus 3 - Valse-caprice op37 n°1 (4 mains avec Nika Zabavnikova).
Wagner-Liszt : Spinnerchor "Der fliegende Holländer"
Granados : Spanish dance, op.37 n°10
Franck : Variations symphoniques, The USSR Radio Symphony Orchestra dirigé par Roman Matsov.

Brahms (The art of Maria Grinberg, vol.3)


Variations on a theme by  Robert Schumann, opus 9 (1951)
Ballades opus 10 n°3 et 4 (1950)
Valses opus 39 n°1, 3, 6, 7, 15 et 16 (1964)
Danses hongroises n°3, 7, 9, 11 et 14 (1960)

Brahms 2 (The art of Maria Grinberg, vol.10)


Variations on an original theme , opus 21 n°1 (1964)
Capriccio opus 76 n°2 (1964)
Concerto for piano n°1, opus 15. USSR State Symphony Orchestra, Viktor Dubrovsky (1971) live

Barock Programme (The art of Maria Grinberg, vol.5)


Carlos Seixas : Menuet et Toccata (1968)
Antonio Soler : Sonatas n°2, 11 et 12 (1959)
Domenico Scarlatti : Sonatas L.104, L.345, L.352, L.360, L.382, L.413 (1968)
J.S. Bach : Sarabanda con partita BWV 990 (1960)
Bach / Busoni : Prelude and Fugue BWV 532 (1961)

Transcriptions (The art of Maria Grinberg, vol.6)


Bach / Liszt : Prelude and Fugue BWV 543
Bach / Samuel Feinberg : Largo de la Sonata BWV 529
Bach / Busoni : Prelude and Fugue BWV 532
Schubert / Liszt : Der Wanderer - Liebotschaft - Der Atlas - Abschied - Die Stadt - Erstarrung - Auf dem Wasser zu singen

 
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2011, 10:46:30 PM »
TRITON

Bach


Capriccio "Sopra la lontanaza del suo fratello dilettissimo" BWV 992 (1951)
Partita n°2 BWV 826 (1961)
4 Duettos BWV 802 à 805 (1948)
Toccata BWV 915 (1962)
Concerto for piano n°5 BWV 1056,  with the  Moscow Radio Symphony Orchestra conducted  Gennady Rozhdestvensky (1962)

Beethoven

 

Concerto n°1 with the Moscow Philarmonic Symphony Orchestra conducted by  Dmitry Kitaenko (1970)
Concerto n°2 avec le Moscow Radio Symphony Orchestra conducted by  Kondrashin (1947)
Concerto n°3 avec le Moscow Radio Symphony Orchestra conducted by  Kurt Sanderling (1952)

Concerto n°4 avec l'USSR State Symphony Orchestra conducted by  Neeme Järvi (1965)
Concerto n°5  avec le Moscow Radio Symphony Orchestra conducted by  Kurt Sanderling (1949)

Rondo opus 51-2 (1973)
Rondo a capriccio opus 129 (1952)
32 Variations WoO. 80 (1960)

Liszt
 

Sonata (1952)
Rhapsodie espagnole (1951)

Fantasie über ungarische Volksmelodien,  avec le Moscow Radio Symphony Orchestra dirigé par Elic Klass (1971)

Prokofiev


Sonata n°2 opus 14 (1961)
Sonata n°5 (1961)
Sonata n°6 (1973)[/quote]
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2011, 10:50:16 PM »
VISTA VERA 

Volume 1 : Beethoven


Sonata n°8, opus 13 "Pathétique" (1951)
Sonata n°14, opus 27 n°2 "Moonlight" (1959)

Sonata n°23, opus 57 "Appassionata" (1960)

Volume 2 : Schubert / Schubert-Liszt


Impromptus, opus 90 D.899 (live from the Great Hall of the Moscow Conservatoire, 14/10/1974)
Suite Watzes, Ländlers (live from the Great Hall of the Moscow Conservatoire, 14/10/1974)
Der Wanderer - Liebesbotsbalt - Der Atlant - Absobiet - Die Stadt - Estarrung - Barcarolle (5/02/1976)

Volume 3 : Rachmaninov / Medtner / Prokofiev / Schostakovich (Il y a de nombreuses erreurs de dates et plages sur ce CD)


Rachmaninov : Moments musicaux, op.16 n°3 (25/12/1953) - Préludes op.23 n° 2, 4, 7, 9 (3/12/1960) - Préludes opus 32 n°1, 5 (3/12/1960) - Préludes opus 32 n°8, 10 (13/06/1961) - Prélude opus 32 n°11 (3/12/1960) - Pièce-Fantasia (3/12/1960)
Medtner : Two Fairytales, opus 20 (18/02/1952) Il y a une erreur sur la pochette, ces pièces n'étant pas répertoriées. Il y a 2 numéros 11, j'en ai donc déduit qu'elles étaient de la deuxième date, mais il n'y a aucune certitude…
Prokofiev : Scherzo opus 12 n°10 (1961)
Schostakovich : Préludes et fugues n° 1, 7, 8, 15 (1961) / Doll's dances : Waltz-joke, Romance, Dance (14/06/1960))

Volume 4 : Arensky / Glinka / Lyadov / Glazunov-Blumenfeld / Borodin


Arensky : Fantasie sur un thème de I. Ryabinin, opus 48 (20/12/1947) USSR State Radioinformation Symphony Orchestra, dirigé par Sergei Gorchakov.
Glinka : Andalusian Dance, Walte, Children's polka, Mazurka (1959) - Tarentella (12/12/1966), Variations sur un thème d'Alyabiev's Romance "Nightingale" (18/05/1964), Mazurka, Farewell Waltz (13/06/1959)
Lyadov : Variations sur un thème polonais (1947) - Etudes op. 5, op.12 (14/01/1950), op.37 (6/01/1950), op.40 (10/01/1950)
Glazunov / Blumenfeld : Waltz n°1, opus 47 (23/06/1948)
Borodin : Quintette pour piano. USSR Bolshoi Theatre Quartet (Isaak Zhuk, Boris Weltman, Mikhail Gourvich, Isaak Bouravsky) (7/05/1946)

Volume 5 : Rachmaninov / Schumann


Rachmaninov : Concerto pour piano n°3. USSR Symphony Orchestra, dirigé par Karl Eliasberg (Live from the Great Hall of the Moscow Conservatoire, 25/01/1958)
Schumann : Concerto pour piano, opus 54.  USSR Symphony Orchestra, dirigé par Karl Eliasberg (1958)

Volume 6 : Brahms


Ballade opus 10 n°3 et 4 (1950)
Variations sur un thème original opus 21 n°1 (1971)
Capriccio, op.76 n°2 (1971)
Six Valses, opus 39 (1964)
3  intermezzos, opus 117 (1961)
Cinq Danses hongroises, n°3, 14, 11, 7 et 9 (1960)

Volume 7 : Robert Schumann


Kinderszenen, opus 15 (1951)
Bunte Blätter, op. 99 (1947)

Etudes symphoniques, op.13 (1961)
Fantasiestücke, op. 111 (1970)

Lesson of the Master, volume 1


Maria Grinberg plays and comments Beethoven Sonatas n° 1 & 6 (en russe) - février 1961

Sergei Popov (trompette)


Shostakovich, Concerto pour piano opus 35. USSR Radio and Television Grand Symphony Orchestra, dirigé par Rozhdestvensky (1962)

Bach, Six Cello Suites Daniil Shafran, volume 1


Bach, Sonate n°2 BWV 1028 for Viola de Gamba transcribed for cello (1966) Daniil Shafran
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2011, 10:55:58 PM »
MELODIYA


Beethoven, Beethoven Piano Soanatas . (1964-1967).


Russian Piano School, volume 14


Carlos Seixas : Menuet, Toccata (1967)
Antonio Soler : allegro des Sonatas n° 2, 11 et 12 (1967)
Scarlatti : Allegro moderato from sonata  K.69, allegro from sonatas  K.113 et K.22, molto moderato from sonata  K.11 (1967)
Mozart : Adagio fro sonata  K.396 (1967)
Schumann : Bunte Blätter opus 99, n°10 - 3 petites pièces - 5 Album Leaves n°4 à 8 et 13 (1947)
Brahms : Variations on a theme by  Robert Schumann, opus 9 (1951) - Valses opus 39 n°1, 3, 7, 16, 6 et 15 (1964)

Schubert (The great Piano Music of the World / Romantic Piano Music. I)


Sonate n°16, opus 42

Schumann (The great Piano Music of the World / Romantic Piano Music. II)


Schumann : Bunte Blätter opus 99, n°10 - 3 petites pièces - 5 Album Leaves n°4 à 8 et 13 (1947)





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Beethoven, Piano Sonatas . (1964-1967).


Beethoven, Schumann, Shostokovich


Beethoven, Concerto n°2, opus 19. USSR Radio & TV Symphony Orchestra, Kurill Kondrashin (1947)
Beethoven, Concerto n°4, opus 58. USSR Symphony Orchestra, Neeme Järvi (1965)
Schumann, Concerto for piano, opus 54. USSR Symphony Orchestra, Karl Eliasberg (1958)
Schumann, Bunte Blätter (1947)
Shostokovich, Concerto piano, trumpet  and strings, opus 35. USSR Radio & TV Symphony Orchestra, Gennadi Rozhdestvensky (1962)
Shostokovich, Préludes et Fugues, opus 87 : Nos 7, 8, 11, 13 à 15 et 17 (1951/1962)[/quote]

Note that there may be a doubt about the authenticity of the recordings in the The Great Piano Music of the World series. If you are interested I suggest you contact Farhan Malik  to find out the latest thinking on this.
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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2011, 11:16:36 PM »
She is for me, interesting  because she sometimes offers an extreme Apollonian, Olympian style of interpretation.

I think her Hammerklavier, Op 111 and Appassionata are well worth hearing. The Pathetique especially the one on the first Melodyia LP (never on CD)  All of her Schumann. The Borodin Quintet.

She's a sort of modernist. No sentimentality, no excessive feeling, allowed. The beethoven especially seems to look forward to the exciting challenging  future rather than backwards towards some sort of spiritual mystery. Polar opposite of Arrau and Ney in Op 111. She's fascinating in the Maestoso, at times strong willed, at times rapt and inward. Sometimes  she reminds me of Petri and Lefebure. In the arietta you can hear her apollonian style really clearly in the final variations.

Schanbel -- another modernist in some ways -- was a major influence and it would be interesting to compare her Beethoven with his (I've never done it)
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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2011, 01:28:07 AM »
I think her Hammerklavier, Op 111 and Appassionata are well worth hearing. The Pathetique especially the one on the first Melodyia LP (never on CD)  All of her Schumann. The Borodin Quintet.

She's a sort of modernist. No sentimentality, no excessive feeling, allowed. The beethoven especially seems to look forward to the exciting challenging  future rather than backwards towards some sort of spiritual mystery. Polar opposite of Arrau and Ney in Op 111 -- sometimes she reminds me of Petri and Lefebure.

Schanbel -- another modernist in some ways -- was a major influence and it would be interesting to compare her Beethoven with his (I've never done it)

Thanks so much fo all of this!
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2011, 07:49:08 AM »
I absolutely love Grinberg's Brahms Concerto No. 1, especially the slow movement. No one comes close (except Fleisher) to conveying the kind of dreamy quality I love in this music. I only have an LP transfer of the concerto, but as Mandryka's CD covers show, it has been released on CD (supposing it's the same recording). I'll try to find this.

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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2011, 08:10:27 PM »
I absolutely love Grinberg's Brahms Concerto No. 1, especially the slow movement. No one comes close (except Fleisher) to conveying the kind of dreamy quality I love in this music. I only have an LP transfer of the concerto, but as Mandryka's CD covers show, it has been released on CD (supposing it's the same recording). I'll try to find this.

A friend of mine has uploaded two versions of her Brahms concerto onto symphony share, one with Rozhdestvensky

 http://hotfile.com/dl/119248874/167234a/Grinberg_Brahms_Concerto_1_Rozhdes.rar.html.

and the other with Dubrowsky

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NTHFR0T9.

as well a previously unavailable Beethoven sonatas LP with a very good  Pathetique

http://hotfile.com/dl/119242627/fd33c5a/Grinberg_Beethoven_Puck.rar.html.





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Re: Maria Grinberg
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2011, 03:20:26 PM »
A friend of mine has uploaded two versions of her Brahms concerto onto symphony share, one with Rozhdestvensky

 http://hotfile.com/dl/119248874/167234a/Grinberg_Brahms_Concerto_1_Rozhdes.rar.html.

and the other with Dubrowsky

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NTHFR0T9.

as well a previously unavailable Beethoven sonatas LP with a very good  Pathetique

http://hotfile.com/dl/119242627/fd33c5a/Grinberg_Beethoven_Puck.rar.html.

Thanks so much, Mandryka!!

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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2011, 10:27:46 AM »


Has anyone heard the PC4 here? Is it interesting, special, personal, different, exciting, unusual, worth finding?
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« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2011, 12:14:19 PM »
Often like her, also have her somewhat rare Brahms 1st Concerto/Rozhdestvensky LP, and there´s quite a lot on youtube as well these days.
Her weak point is perhaps a somewhat hammering, unsensitive or rushed style now and then, a lack of delicacy, as it can be heard in some Beethoven sonatas (slow movement of no.17, for instance) ...
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Re: Maria Grinberg
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2011, 07:58:47 AM »


Has anyone heard the PC4 here? Is it interesting, special, personal, different, exciting, unusual, worth finding?


For me definitely YES !
The orchestra and the conductor go quite well together. Good sound. And Grinberg gives one of the most imaginative and impressive performances of the G major I know.   



                                                                            <a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/R9Tq_R_KsUY" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/R9Tq_R_KsUY</a>

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Re: Maria Grinberg
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2011, 09:02:15 AM »

For me definitely YES !
The orchestra and the conductor go quite well together. Good sound. And Grinberg gives one of the most imaginative and impressive performances of the G major I know.   



                                                                            <a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/R9Tq_R_KsUY" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/R9Tq_R_KsUY</a>

Ah yes  -- I have it now, someone sent it to me in an edtion with Beethoven PC2 with Kondrashin. I didn't know it was on youtiube. I'm full of cold and I've only managed to listen to the first movement so far  -- I was impressed by her vitality. The strong rhythms yet flexible when she wants to be. Technically outstanding in the passage work. I'm not sure about the Reinecke cadenza in the first movement: I think it's just not for me. Yudina plays Brahms's cadenza which is amazing really.

What a shame Schnabel didn't write a cadenza for this.

PC4 interests me a lot. I want to hear all the interesting performances. And PC3.

More generally I was listening to her in a couple of things recently -- OP 109 and the big Liszt sonata. She's a real creative poet. A major pianist who seems to have a totally undeserved reputation amongst English speaking collectors, who sometimes let  their preconceptions get in the way. The French are more appreciative I've found.
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Re: Maria Grinberg
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2011, 10:58:00 PM »
Schubert D940 arranged for two hands by MG.

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Re: Maria Grinberg
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