Name that piece! The game

Started by DavidW, May 27, 2011, 09:18:49 AM

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klingsor

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 31, 2011, 06:57:10 AM
No...but...

No, I changed my mind. I won't give any hints yet. Too early in the game.

Sarge

Your "No...but.." makes me think he was a film composer (I know, we can only have one guess and I've had mine)  ;)

Lethevich

Us guessers may need to combine forces to climb this mountain :) Maybe list who we thought it might be, and why it's probably not them.

I initially thought something baltic such as Vasks until the more I listened, the less "smooth" and postmodern it sounded. A few devices common in that style (the sense of inner-glow, the strings around ~38s) are outnumbered by the more standard sounding mid-century palette. I then moved on to Arnold, specifically his 8th symphony, but it wasn't that. I flirted with the idea of Britten's Sinfonia da Requiem, a work that I don't know well, but gave it a listen and it turned out not to be that. My Holmboe guess was due to his rather stark use of brass as well as the bubbling, vital use of percussion and strident strings, but this does seem to be less crystaline in its polyphony and drive, and now that I listen again, I can see that I was clutching in the wrong direction. If this was 50% faster and accompanied by a battery of side drums I would have guessed a lyrical moment from a Havergal Brian work that I am unfamiliar with ;)
Peanut butter, flour and sugar do not make cookies. They make FIRE.

mc ukrneal

Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 31, 2011, 09:45:53 AM
Us guessers may need to combine forces to climb this mountain :) Maybe list who we thought it might be, and why it's probably not them.

I initially thought something baltic such as Vasks until the more I listened, the less "smooth" and postmodern it sounded. A few devices common in that style (the sense of inner-glow, the strings around ~38s) are outnumbered by the more standard sounding mid-century palette. I then moved on to Arnold, specifically his 8th symphony, but it wasn't that. I flirted with the idea of Britten's Sinfonia da Requiem, a work that I don't know well, but gave it a listen and it turned out not to be that. My Holmboe guess was due to his rather stark use of brass as well as the bubbling, vital use of percussion and strident strings, but this does seem to be less crystaline in its polyphony and drive, and now that I listen again, I can see that I was clutching in the wrong direction. If this was 50% faster and accompanied by a battery of side drums I would have guessed a lyrical moment from a Havergal Brian work that I am unfamiliar with ;)
I'm afraid I have nothing to add - not a clue about it. But you are welcome to use my guess to guess again (when you are ready).
Be kind to your fellow posters!!

Lethevich

Quote from: Leon on May 31, 2011, 09:56:51 AM
Hindemith (Symphony in E-flat)

That is a great thought - the starkness to the initial brass gesture does sound like some of Hindemith's music, or at least hints towards possibly being inspired by neoclassicism...
Peanut butter, flour and sugar do not make cookies. They make FIRE.

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 31, 2011, 09:45:53 AM
If this was 50% faster and accompanied by a battery of side drums I would have guessed a lyrical moment from a Havergal Brian work that I am unfamiliar with ;)

That's really fascinating. While making the clip the music suddenly, and for the first time, reminded me of Brian too. In fact, I thought someone might suggest Brian (knowing that I'm a bit of a fan of Havergal  ;) )  But it isn't him.

Time for a clue: the mystery composer is not British but he was an Anglophile.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Leon on May 31, 2011, 09:56:51 AM
I also thought of Piston (Symphony No. 2) and Hindemith (Symphony in E-flat) which both sound style-wise in the ballpark, but since I don't have either of them handy can't do an actual check.

Not Piston, not Hindemith. Sorry. He is a very famous composer.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Lethevich

If it's Mr. B.H., then I think klingsor guessed him first, by not so subtle implication ;)
Peanut butter, flour and sugar do not make cookies. They make FIRE.

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 31, 2011, 10:57:20 AM
If it's Mr. B.H., then I think klingsor guessed him first, by not so subtle implication ;)

Correct. Bernard Herrmann, his Symphony from 1941. The clip was taken from the composer's own recording on Unicorn:





Klingsor did guess (we exchanged PMs). Maybe each of you should submit a new clip?

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Lethevich

That would be awesome - I could redeem myself from my all too obvious first pick ;)

Also, as suspected, I do have that work - playing it now. Do you know why it is often labeled "No.1" when I can find no evidence of a second?
Peanut butter, flour and sugar do not make cookies. They make FIRE.

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 31, 2011, 11:02:31 AM
Do you know why it is often labeled "No.1" when I can find no evidence of a second?

I don't. I'll see if I can dig something up.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Lethevich

#90
Alrighty - here's mine (what's this one, 6a?): Mystery link! (4shared has always been a little fussy for me - here's a mirror if required: link)

Hint: this is an orchestral section from a symphonic cantata-style work. The composer is semi-known, more so than a decade or two ago. I kinda wish I could avoid turning this into obscure-orchestral-fans-club, but I am smarting from how easy my Berlioz one was to guess ;)
Peanut butter, flour and sugar do not make cookies. They make FIRE.

mc ukrneal

Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 31, 2011, 11:34:37 AM
Alrighty - here's mine (what's this one, 6a?): Mystery link!

Hint: this is an orchestral section from a symphonic cantata-style work. The composer is semi-known, more so than a decade or two ago. I kinda wish I could avoid turning this into obscure-orchestral-fans-club, but I am smarting from how easy my Berlioz one was to guess ;)
I really liked that! Unfortunately, I don't know what it is. But I may have a new item for my wish list when I do!  ;D
Be kind to your fellow posters!!

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 31, 2011, 11:34:37 AMI kinda wish I could avoid turning this into obscure-orchestral-fans-club, but I am smarting from how easy my Berlioz one was to guess ;)

I preferred the Berlioz...I didn't have to think  ;D  Damn, it sounds like I should know it.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Scarpia

I think the point of the game is not to get the right answer, but to get answers that could have been right.   People who recognize the piece should recuse themselves.   :)

Lethevich

Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on May 31, 2011, 11:45:22 AM
I think the point of the game is not to get the right answer, but to get answers that could have been right.   People who recognize the piece should recuse themselves.   :)

Indeed, fumbling towards the goal is very fun :)
Peanut butter, flour and sugar do not make cookies. They make FIRE.

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on May 31, 2011, 11:45:22 AM
I think the point of the game is not to get the right answer, but to get answers that could have been right.   People who recognize the piece should recuse themselves.   :)

Right...and contestants on Jeopardy who know the answer (the question) should never push their buzzers  :D


Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

karlhenning

Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 31, 2011, 11:51:11 AM
Indeed, fumbling towards the goal is very fun :)

Said the actress to the bishop.

Scarpia

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 31, 2011, 11:51:54 AM
Right...and contestants on Jeopardy who know the answer (the question) should never push their buzzers  :D

Yes, but there is no prize here, so a definitive answer only serves to cut off the fun.   :(

DavidW

Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 31, 2011, 11:51:11 AM
Indeed, fumbling towards the goal is very fun :)

That's what I like about it, I like being on the right track even if I haven't gotten a single one.  Dang once Sarge went well no... to my Korngold I thought of Herrmann but I didn't even know that he wrote a symphony! :D

klingsor

 :D To be fair, I never wrote the name Bernard Herrmann, so the 'prize' should not go to me. I was trying to come up with a UK composer.

And dammit, I should have recognized the Herrmann symphony, I've heard it at least 5 times  ;)