Name that piece! The game

[karlhenning]

Aye, that string writing . . . awfully anachronistic for Mozart. I'd love to see the score!

[karlhenning]

And there are chords in there Mozart never wrote. (Nor Lucchesi, arf!)

[Gurn Blanston]

But . . . it does not match the music which is available as K429 at IMSLP . . . .

Well, not only is that recording on Youtube, but totally independently the recording that I posted is by Wiener Akademie / Martin Haselböck - Chorus Viennensis, on Pavane Records, and is also the version that Brilliant licensed for the Complete Mozart Edition. So if it isn't what I believe it to be then a whole lotta people are wrong!      It was nice to find a Youtube by another group entirely that is the same, though. Sort of independent confirmation.   0:)




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[Scarpia]

Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.  That ain't Mozart.  The work is listed as a Fragment in the Philips Mozart edition.   The question is who finished it.  I think not Hummel or Sussmayr this time.  Probably Schnittke.   

[Gurn Blanston]

Aye, that string writing . . . awfully anachronistic for Mozart. I'd love to see the score!

Well, my Internet connection is too slow to go there from here, but you can go to the Neue Mozart Ausgabe and see (and download if you wish) the score of absolutely anything that Mozart wrote. I'm not sure what their current cataloging system is, but I would imagine that typing in KV468a in the search box will get you there.




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[klingsor]

I agree with the others : this is NOT Mozart...something is amiss 

[karlhenning]

Well, my Internet connection is too slow to go there from here, but you can go to the Neue Mozart Ausgabe and see (and download if you wish) the score of absolutely anything that Mozart wrote. I'm not sure what their current cataloging system is, but I would imagine that typing in KV468a in the search box will get you there.




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Thanks! That's a terrific resource.

The score there is more fragmentary than that which appears at IMSLP, but is entirely contained in the IMSLP version.

This is quite a mystery you've set forth, Gurn!

[Gurn Blanston]

Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.  That ain't Mozart.  The work is listed as a Fragment in the Philips Mozart edition.   The question is who finished it.  I think not Hummel or Sussmayr this time.  Probably Schnittke.   

Yeah, but we know it wasn't Schnittke. According to Zaslaw, (The Compleat Mozart, pg 37), Mozart wrote the first 17 measures of the 3rd movement which are still extant, and the rest is missing. As you can hear from the Youtube recording, the dissonance and oddness starts right at the beginning. It is a highly unusual work, no doubt. The other recording of it that i have (Maag on Vox) only does the first 2 movements and then stops. Haselböck does 5 movements (and I think the performers on that Youtube one do that also). I suppose we could write them and ask.



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[Scarpia]

It's the third movement of a two movement work, according to the published score.   Presumably the third movement is sketched on the back of one of Wolfie's overdue laundry bills and someone made a perverse "completion."      Mozart's Great Mass in c-minor only had vocal parts and bass written by Mozart himself, all of the orchestral parts of the latter movements were added.  I assume that similar considerations apply here.

[Gurn Blanston]

I agree with the others : this is NOT Mozart...something is amiss 

Well, I don't know what to say; they better quit recording it on Mozart disks then.



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[Gurn Blanston]

It's the third movement of a two movement work, according to the published score.   Presumably the third movement is sketched on the back of one of Wolfie's overdue laundry bills and someone made a perverse "completion."   

Well, that's one theory.



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[karlhenning]

At IMSLP the score (completed by whomever, and not in this too-modern style) is here.

[karlhenning]

Yeah, but we know it wasn't Schnittke. According to Zaslaw, (The Compleat Mozart, pg 37), Mozart wrote the first 17 measures of the 3rd movement which are still extant, and the rest is missing. As you can hear from the Youtube recording, the dissonance and oddness starts right at the beginning. It is a highly unusual work, no doubt. The other recording of it that i have (Maag on Vox) only does the first 2 movements and then stops. Haselböck does 5 movements (and I think the performers on that Youtube one do that also). I suppose we could write them and ask.

The YouTube music does not at all match any of the Mozart score I read at the Neue Mozart Ausgabe.

[karlhenning]

The YouTube music begins with setting the text, Die Lichter, die zu Tausenden for men's duet. None of that text appears in the Mozart score, nor does any of the Mozart fragment feature a duet; part of it is three-part men's choir (TTB), and part is Tenor I alone.

Edit :: erratum

[karlhenning]

The YouTube music begins with setting the text, Die Lichter, die zu Tausenden for men's duet. None of that text appears in the Mozart score, nor does any of the Mozart fragment feature a duet; part of it is three-part men's choir (TTB), and part is Tenor I alone.

Well, strictly speaking, the YouTube music begins with an instrumental introduction, which is unlike anything that appears in the Mozart score : )

[Drasko]

http://www.mozartforum.com/VB_forum/printthread.php?t=189

My guess is you are listening to a performance of the Cantata by the Wiener Akademie and the Chorus Viennensis directed by Martin Haselböck. This was originally released on the Novalis label.

The completiion is by Rainer Bischof, a contemporary Austrian composer.

Mozart's composing of the third section ""Die Lichter" goes 17 measures. Bischof then completes it and composes the Recitative, both "in a style of today and in Bischof's personal dodecophonic musical idiom".

[Gurn Blanston]

http://www.mozartforum.com/VB_forum/printthread.php?t=189

Drasko,
Thank you very much for clearing that up. I didn't know that, and am pleased to learn it since, truth to tell, I was as confounded as anyone.



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[karlhenning]

The YouTube music begins with setting the text, Die Lichter, die zu Tausenden for men's duet. None of that text appears in the Mozart score, nor does any of the Mozart fragment feature a duet; part of it is three-part men's choir (TTB), and part is Tenor I alone.

That's wrong on my part.  Although I thought I was at the end of the Mozart, in fact there was an arrow link to continue, and now I see the excerpt to which Drasko refers:

Mozart's composing of the third section ""Die Lichter" goes 17 measures.

The dissonance that we hear from the start is already Bischof's additive.

[DavidW]

I have tons of Mozart, dude. Well, lots.

I don't even have it in my Harnoncourt set of complete sacred works!  I guess complete is the operative word.

[Gurn Blanston]

I don't even have it in my Harnoncourt set of complete sacred works!  I guess complete is the operative word.

It isn't a sacred cantata, it's a Masonic one. It is in the various sets of Masonic music.



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