What period of Romanticism do you like the most --- and why?

Started by Florestan, June 01, 2011, 06:03:42 AM

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What period of Romanticism do you like the most?

Early (<1830)
3 (15.8%)
Middle (1830-1865)
2 (10.5%)
Late (1865-1911)
14 (73.7%)

Total Members Voted: 13

Florestan

Explanation of the timeframes I chose:

1830 - First performance of Symphonie Fantastique

1865 - First performance of Tristan und Isolde

1911 - Death of Mahler

Of course, the limits are fluid, I use these only as signposts.

You are allowed only one vote. If you'd add a short (or long) explanation for it, it'll be much appreciated.





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chasmaniac

I voted for early, when it still had a vestige of civilized form about it. But I'll lend an ear to works of any romantic composer who didn't think the historical development of World-Spirit culminated between his own ears.
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Florestan

Quote from: chasmaniac on June 01, 2011, 06:18:00 AM
I voted for early, when it still had a vestige of civilized form about it. But I'll lend an ear to works of any romantic composer who didn't think the historical development of World-Spirit culminated between his own ears.

Thanks for voting.  :)

OTOMH, I can't think of any composer fitting your bill...  ???
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Gurn Blanston

Quote from: Florestan on June 01, 2011, 06:20:17 AM
Thanks for voting.  :)

OTOMH, I can't think of any composer fitting your bill...  ???

cough cough *wagner* cough cough....

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chasmaniac

If I have exhausted the justifications, I have reached bedrock and my spade is turned. Then I am inclined to say: "This is simply what I do."  --Wittgenstein, PI §217

karlhenning

I voted Middle (though, of course, I do like music from all 'periods').  Berlioz and Chopin are the especial drivers for my vote.

mc ukrneal

Ok, I think you finally found a poll where I am completely undecided. The early romantics like Schubert, Weber, well they are great. The middle period gets even better in some ways with the likes of Schuman and Chopin, but there is nothing like that early innocence. And some of the late romantics are among my favorites (voting against Brahms and Dvorak together - not sure I can do that!!). I find I am having difficulty choosing!  ???

If push comes to shove, I think I'd choose late, but I love it all!
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Florestan

"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. ." — Claude Debussy

Antoine Marchand

Quote from: Florestan on June 01, 2011, 06:03:42 AM
Explanation of the timeframes I chose:

1830 - First performance of Symphonie Fantastique

1865 - First performance of Tristan und Isolde

1911 - Death of Mahler

Of course, the limits are fluid, I use these only as signposts.

You are allowed only one vote. If you'd add a short (or long) explanation for it, it'll be much appreciated.

It's an impossible decision for me because I love Schubert, Chopin and Brahms exactly at the same degree (although some days I think I prefer one of them) and then Schumann, Mendelssohn and Dvorak are very close, although probably just Scumann be a genuine Romantic. 

Florestan

Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 01, 2011, 06:33:08 AM
The early romantics like Schubert, Weber, well they are great. The middle period gets even better in some ways with the likes of Schuman and Chopin, but there is nothing like that early innocence. And some of the late romantics are among my favorites (voting against Brahms and Dvorak together - not sure I can do that!!). I find I am having difficulty choosing!  ???

Quote from: Antonio Marchand on June 01, 2011, 06:35:43 AM
It's an impossible decision for me because I love Schubert, Chopin and Brahms exactly at the same degree (although some days I think I prefer one of them) and then Schumann, Mendelssohn and Dvorak are very close, although probably just Scumann be a genuine Romantic. 

Hah! My thoughts exactly --- that's why I didn't vote myself.  :D

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Lethevich

I especially like the late-late Romanticism lasting up until around WWII.

As already mentioned, being torn between Schumann (mid) and Dvořák (late) means that I can't really vote....
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Florestan

Now, TBH, I personally find Dvorak and Brahms to be rather strange beasts in the company of the holy trinity of Late Romanticism, namely Wagner / Mahler / Bruckner. They can be linked --- not chronologically, but musically --- rather to Middle / Early.
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Lethevich

Quote from: Florestan on June 01, 2011, 06:50:04 AM
Now, TBH, I personally find Dvorak and Brahms to be rather strange beasts in the company of the holy trinity of Late Romanticism, namely Wagner / Mahler / Bruckner. They can be linked --- not chronologically, but musically --- rather to Middle / Early.

It's also interesting that many composers writing in this tradition up until the 1940s (Peterson-Berger, Sinding, etc) tended to synthesize the richness of late Romanticism's harmonies and concepts with the structured approach of the middle period - many consciously turned away from Wagner and Mahler's pushing at the seams, despite often still idolising those composers. In a way, the "late Romanticism" tag used to describe Liszt-Wagner-Mahler-Strauss was a language that only a minority of composers at the time ever wrote in.
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Florestan

Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 01, 2011, 06:56:36 AM
It's also interesting that many composers writing in this tradition up until the 1940s (Peterson-Berger, Sinding, etc) tended to synthesize the richness of late Romanticism's harmonies and concepts with the structured approach of the middle period - many consciously turned away from Wagner and Mahler's pushing at the seams, despite often still idolising those composers. In a way, the "late Romanticism" tag used to describe Liszt-Wagner-Mahler-Strauss was a language that only a minority of composers at the time ever wrote in.

Interesting.
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Lethevich

I'm weak, I had to click something, so voted late :( As a blanket description it seems to offer the most promise of musical riches to me - Strauss, Suk, Tchaikovsky...
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Mn Dave

Oh, let's just say Early, before certain composers got too big for the britches.  0:)

Sergeant Rock

For me the late period contains my personal trinity: Wagner (Tristan, the Ring, Parsifal), Bruckner, Mahler.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

DavidW


DavidW

Oh no the Brahms vs Wagner debate jumps out with that, the only difference between Sarge and I. :D

karlhenning

#19
No, I think Sarge will respect your election of Brahms.

. . . though I somehow doubt that he has half so many Deutsches Requiems as he has
Rings : )