CD-R's being sold by recording companies?

[Itullian]

A review on Amazon said Bernstein's Haydn symphony set on Sony is CD-R's , not CD's.
Is this really happening?

[Brian]

A review on Amazon said Bernstein's Haydn symphony set on Sony is CD-R's , not CD's.
Is this really happening?

I do not know about Bernstein's Haydn, but this is being done by Amazon and Arkivmusic. For many out of print CDs, Amazon and Arkivmusic get permission from the record label to reproduce the old CDs on CD-Rs, so that people can gain access to discs that are otherwise unavailable. Amazon is usually good about noting this. Arkivmusic calls them "ArkivCDs" and they're very easy to find (or avoid!).

[Itullian]

I realize that.
But this is Sony.
And not reissued by someone else.

[Cato]

I just bought a CD-R from CHANDOS for a CD from their out-of-print list: basically they manufacture it on demand.

The quality is just fine!

[Itullian]

Great. You were aware of what you bought.
Issuing them without clearly stating it is deceptive and wrong.

And CD-R's ARE inferior to CD's. Longevity wise and durability wise.

[mc ukrneal]

There was talk of this in another thread (but I can't recall which one). I remember Nimbus being guilty of this sometimes. I agree that it is deceptive, but some labels don't seem to think so.

[Octave]

I have seen some other Sony titles being sold as CDRs, but usually the Amazon product page features the cover image in a bright blue border with a small note about the format.  Christian Gerhaher's FERNE GELIEBTE (2012) recital was/is being sold this way in the United States.

Here's the thread I started to keep abreast of CDR editions, especially sneaky ones; it's called 'CDR Alert':
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,21660.msg706908.html#msg706908

I wish someone had mentioned Lyrita in that thread, because I got burned just recently, buying one of their CDs.

[stingo]

I've been wondering about ArkivCDs and such for a while now - glad to see there's a thread for it now.

[Cato]

Great. You were aware of what you bought.
Issuing them without clearly stating it is deceptive and wrong.

And CD-R's ARE inferior to CD's. Longevity wise and durability wise.

True: CHANDOS openly said it would be a CD-R.

Does anyone know what causes them to be less durable and lasting?  Does it have something to do with being 2nd generation, or something in the copying process?

[The new erato]

Well they are a printed as opposed to a punched (physical holes) media, and as such need to be kept away from direct sunlight, heat etc in a way that a true CD don't. As long as they are treted carefyully thy will last, but they are a less robust product, and should be marked, priced and sold as such.

[Bogey]

Well they are a printed as opposed to a punched (physical holes) media, and as such need to be kept away from direct sunlight, heat etc in a way that a true CD don't. As long as they are treted carefyully thy will last, but they are a less robust product, and should be marked, priced and sold as such.

Like my vinyl.   But new pressings are killer prices these days.

[Walt Whitman]

I bought Bernstein's Haydn London Symphony set from amazon, based on reviews that highlighted a new remastering. On the amazon site, there was a "review" by someone with the handle of "Scary Steve" warning that the set in question was duplicated on CD-R's. When I got my set, they, thankfully, were on regular, metallized CD's. This "Scary Steve" stated that the backward, red C appearing on the box designated that these were CD-R's. Not true. In fact, to warn others that this set contains "real" CD's, not CD-R's, I responded to "Scary Steve's" BS, partially quoted below:

"Further, if you go to sonymasterworks dot com, this fearful Red Backward C is featured prominently at the top and bottom of the website. If you read the disclaimer at the bottom, it reads as though this Red Backward C is the Sony Music Logo in Japan: "SONY MUSIC & Design is a trademark of Sony Corporation (Japan). Used under license."

So, at least, for this particular set, no CD-R's from Sony were involved.

I have never received any CD-R's when purchasing CD's, and have not purchased any from arkivmusic.com.

[Brahmsian]

Is there a sure fire way to "physically" tell if a certain CD recording is a CD-R?  In instances where it clearly isn't being labelled as a CD-R.

[Bogey]

Is there a sure fire way to "physically" tell if a certain CD recording is a CD-R?  In instances where it clearly isn't being labelled as a CD-R.

If you have an old Sony player like we do, then it will spit cdr's out.

[techniquest]

My Sony player doesn't spit out CD-R's - it plays them with no problems. However it won't play mp3 discs 

[Jay F]

If you have an old Sony player like we do, then it will spit cdr's out.

How old is "old," Bill? My el cheapo Sony SACD player is ten years old. It's supposed to play CD-Rs, but on some of them, I just get a clicking sound.

[Bogey]

How old is "old," Bill? My el cheapo Sony SACD player is ten years old. It's supposed to play CD-Rs, but on some of them, I just get a clicking sound.

Doh!  I just came back here to change my post to "Panissonic" not Sony.  Our PANISONIC 5 in a tray will not play cdr's.  Sorry about that. It is about 14 years old?

[Que]

Found on the Presto site:

20% off Decca Presto CDs

In May 2014, we launched our 'Presto CD' project, with the aim of bringing back to life top-quality recordings that had been discontinued (or only existed as downloads). Manufactured by us here at Presto Classical under licence from the original record labels, Presto CD produces a finished product almost indistinguishable from the original factory-pressed version. Each disc includes full booklets and inlays, whilst the audio (sourced directly from the factory) is 100% identical to that found on the original CD version.

I find this a rather complicated not to say disingenuous way of describing a CD-R, which is manufactured in a very different way from a normal, factory made CD and has a significantly lower life expectancy...

The carefully chosen wordings do not exactly tell a lie, but don't tell the truth either....
The obvious aim is to let the buyer think it is an almost identical product, whih is a false impression.

Q