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Luke

#240
June 30, 2011, 10:55:03 AM
Quote from: edward on June 30, 2011, 10:30:08 AM
It also has to be said that the Busoni concerto isn't particularly representative of his output, particularly of his later works. It doesn't have a lot in common with the brooding modernism of the second Sonatina or the Nocturne symphonique, nor the near-mystical aspects of Doktor Faust and related pieces, or the extreme introversion of the Berceuse elegiaque, for examples.

I'm not sure - there are plenty of pages in the score which are very close in tone and sound and look to some of the later scores you mention. The Busoni harmonic world is very present in the concerto, in fact. Both the Berceuse and the piano concerto were reworked by the composer in his masterful piano Elegies and there is no stylistic jarring when that happens - they both come from the sme source, that same ambiguous major-minor harmony. I hear the Busoni concerto as a journey - Busoni saw it that way too, I think, hence the mystical engraving he had put at the front of the score - and though it starts somewhere between Brahms and Verdi and the later Busoni it goes quickly to other places, the same sort of places Busoni inhabited in most of his music.

mc ukrneal

#241
June 30, 2011, 12:10:27 PM
After: Edward

+3: Mozart 24
+2: Beethoven 5
+1: Saint Saens 2
-1: Scriabin, Op 20
-2: Poulenc

16   Mozart: Piano Concerto No.24 in C minor, K.491
16   Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No.1 in D flat major, op.10
13   Alkan: Concerto pour piano seul, op.39/8-10
13   Saint-Saëns: Piano Concerto No.2 in G minor, op.22
13   Beethoven: Piano Concerto No.5 in E flat, Op.73
10   Scriabin: Piano Concerto in F sharp minor, op.20
09   Chopin: Piano Concerto No.1 in E minor, op.11
09   de Falla: Nights in the Gardens of Spain (Noches en los Jardines de España)
08   Poulenc: Aubade, Concerto chorégraphique for piano and 18 instruments
08   Busoni: Piano Concerto in C major, Op. 39
05   Dvořák: Piano Concerto in G minor, op.33
05   Tcherepnin: Piano Concerto No.2,  op.22
05   Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 20 in D Minor, K.466
04   Scriabin: Prométhée: Le Poème du Feu, op.60
03   Bach: Concerto for Harpsichord and Orchestra in D minor, BWV 1052
03   Medtner: Piano Concerto No.1 in C minor, op.33
02   Bach: Concerto for Harpsichord and Orchestra in D Major, BWV 1054
02   Villa-Lobos: Choros No. 11 for piano and orchestra
01   Liszt: Piano Concerto No.1 in E flat major, S.124
00   Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 5 in G major, op.55
-1   Hummel: Piano Concerto in C Major, Op. 34
-1   Stravinsky: Capriccio for Piano and Orchestra
-2  Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 21 in C, K.467
Be kind to your fellow posters!!

Wanderer

#242
June 30, 2011, 02:31:35 PM Last Edit: June 30, 2011, 03:20:19 PM by Wanderer
After: mc ukrneal

Medtner 1 +3
Alkan +2
[new] Shostakovich: Concerto for Piano, Trumpet & Strings in C minor, op.35 +1
Stravinsky -1
Hummel op.34 -2 (not that this isn't any good, but I'd much rather see the exquisite op.89 on the list next to its mighty op.85 sibling)

16   Mozart: Piano Concerto No.24 in C minor, K.491
16   Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No.1 in D flat major, op.10
15   Alkan: Concerto pour piano seul, op.39/8-10
13   Saint-Saëns: Piano Concerto No.2 in G minor, op.22
13   Beethoven: Piano Concerto No.5 in E flat, Op.73
10   Scriabin: Piano Concerto in F sharp minor, op.20
09   Chopin: Piano Concerto No.1 in E minor, op.11
09   de Falla: Nights in the Gardens of Spain (Noches en los Jardines de España)
08   Poulenc: Aubade, Concerto chorégraphique for piano and 18 instruments
08   Busoni: Piano Concerto in C major, Op. 39
06   Medtner: Piano Concerto No.1 in C minor, op.33
05   Dvořák: Piano Concerto in G minor, op.33
05   Tcherepnin: Piano Concerto No.2,  op.22
05   Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 20 in D Minor, K.466
04   Scriabin: Prométhée: Le Poème du Feu, op.60
03   Bach: Concerto for Harpsichord and Orchestra in D minor, BWV 1052
02   Bach: Concerto for Harpsichord and Orchestra in D Major, BWV 1054
02   Villa-Lobos: Choros No. 11 for piano and orchestra
01   Liszt: Piano Concerto No.1 in E flat major, S.124
01   Shostakovich: Concerto for Piano, Trumpet & Strings in C minor, op.35
00   Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 5 in G major, op.55
-2   Stravinsky: Capriccio for Piano and Orchestra
-2  Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 21 in C, K.467
-3   Hummel: Piano Concerto in C Major, Op. 34

Luke

#243
June 30, 2011, 02:52:57 PM
After: Wanderer

+3 Alkan
+2 Busoni
+1 Scriabin
-1 Hummel
-2 Prokofiev 5


18   Alkan: Concerto pour piano seul, op.39/8-10
16   Mozart: Piano Concerto No.24 in C minor, K.491
16   Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No.1 in D flat major, op.10
13   Saint-Saëns: Piano Concerto No.2 in G minor, op.22
13   Beethoven: Piano Concerto No.5 in E flat, Op.73
11   Scriabin: Piano Concerto in F sharp minor, op.20
10   Busoni: Piano Concerto in C major, Op. 39
09   Chopin: Piano Concerto No.1 in E minor, op.11
09   de Falla: Nights in the Gardens of Spain (Noches en los Jardines de España)
08   Poulenc: Aubade, Concerto chorégraphique for piano and 18 instruments
06   Medtner: Piano Concerto No.1 in C minor, op.33
05   Dvořák: Piano Concerto in G minor, op.33
05   Tcherepnin: Piano Concerto No.2,  op.22
05   Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 20 in D Minor, K.466
04   Scriabin: Prométhée: Le Poème du Feu, op.60
03   Bach: Concerto for Harpsichord and Orchestra in D minor, BWV 1052
02   Bach: Concerto for Harpsichord and Orchestra in D Major, BWV 1054
02   Villa-Lobos: Choros No. 11 for piano and orchestra
01   Liszt: Piano Concerto No.1 in E flat major, S.124
01   Shostakovich: Concerto for Piano, Trumpet & Strings in C minor, op.35
-2   Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 5 in G major, op.55
-2   Stravinsky: Capriccio for Piano and Orchestra
-2  Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 21 in C, K.467
-4   Hummel: Piano Concerto in C Major, Op. 34

Drasko

#244
June 30, 2011, 02:57:10 PM
after Luke

Mozart: Piano Concerto No.24 in C minor, K.491 +3
Liszt: Totentanz +2
Poulenc: Aubade +1
Hummel: Piano Concerto in C Major, Op. 34 -1 (and out)
Liszt: Piano Concerto No.1 in E flat major, S.124 -2

19   Mozart: Piano Concerto No.24 in C minor, K.491
18   Alkan: Concerto pour piano seul, op.39/8-10
16   Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No.1 in D flat major, op.10
13   Saint-Saëns: Piano Concerto No.2 in G minor, op.22
13   Beethoven: Piano Concerto No.5 in E flat, Op.73
11   Scriabin: Piano Concerto in F sharp minor, op.20
10   Busoni: Piano Concerto in C major, Op. 39
09   Chopin: Piano Concerto No.1 in E minor, op.11
09   de Falla: Nights in the Gardens of Spain (Noches en los Jardines de España)
09   Poulenc: Aubade, Concerto chorégraphique for piano and 18 instruments
06   Medtner: Piano Concerto No.1 in C minor, op.33
05   Dvořák: Piano Concerto in G minor, op.33
05   Tcherepnin: Piano Concerto No.2,  op.22
05   Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 20 in D Minor, K.466
04   Scriabin: Prométhée: Le Poème du Feu, op.60
03   Bach: Concerto for Harpsichord and Orchestra in D minor, BWV 1052
02   Bach: Concerto for Harpsichord and Orchestra in D Major, BWV 1054
02   Liszt: Totentanz
02   Villa-Lobos: Choros No. 11 for piano and orchestra
01   Shostakovich: Concerto for Piano, Trumpet & Strings in C minor, op.35
-1   Liszt: Piano Concerto No.1 in E flat major, S.124
-2   Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 5 in G major, op.55
-2   Stravinsky: Capriccio for Piano and Orchestra
-2   Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 21 in C, K.467




kishnevi

#245
June 30, 2011, 04:03:52 PM
After: Drasko
Mozart 24 +3
Villa Lobos +2
Alkan -1 (strategery at work there)
Busoni -2 

I think the appropriate words for the Busoni are big, sprawling,  bombastic.  As I forget who said,  "there's no there there."


22   Mozart: Piano Concerto No.24 in C minor, K.491
17   Alkan: Concerto pour piano seul, op.39/8-10
16   Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No.1 in D flat major, op.10
13   Saint-Saëns: Piano Concerto No.2 in G minor, op.22
13   Beethoven: Piano Concerto No.5 in E flat, Op.73
11   Scriabin: Piano Concerto in F sharp minor, op.20
09   Chopin: Piano Concerto No.1 in E minor, op.11
09   de Falla: Nights in the Gardens of Spain (Noches en los Jardines de España)
09   Poulenc: Aubade, Concerto chorégraphique for piano and 18 instruments
08   Busoni: Piano Concerto in C major, Op. 39
06   Medtner: Piano Concerto No.1 in C minor, op.33
05   Dvořák: Piano Concerto in G minor, op.33
05   Tcherepnin: Piano Concerto No.2,  op.22
05   Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 20 in D Minor, K.466
04   Scriabin: Prométhée: Le Poème du Feu, op.60
04   Villa-Lobos: Choros No. 11 for piano and orchestra
03   Bach: Concerto for Harpsichord and Orchestra in D minor, BWV 1052
02   Bach: Concerto for Harpsichord and Orchestra in D Major, BWV 1054
02   Liszt: Totentanz
01   Shostakovich: Concerto for Piano, Trumpet & Strings in C minor, op.35
-1   Liszt: Piano Concerto No.1 in E flat major, S.124
-2   Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 5 in G major, op.55
-2   Stravinsky: Capriccio for Piano and Orchestra
-2   Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 21 in C, K.467

Amfortas

#246
June 30, 2011, 04:27:36 PM
After : Jeffrey

Prokofiev +2
Falla +1
Chopin -1

22   Mozart: Piano Concerto No.24 in C minor, K.491
18   Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No.1 in D flat major, op.10
17   Alkan: Concerto pour piano seul, op.39/8-10
13   Saint-Saëns: Piano Concerto No.2 in G minor, op.22
13   Beethoven: Piano Concerto No.5 in E flat, Op.73
11   Scriabin: Piano Concerto in F sharp minor, op.20
10   de Falla: Nights in the Gardens of Spain (Noches en los Jardines de España)
09   Poulenc: Aubade, Concerto chorégraphique for piano and 18 instruments
08   Chopin: Piano Concerto No.1 in E minor, op.11
08   Busoni: Piano Concerto in C major, Op. 39
06   Medtner: Piano Concerto No.1 in C minor, op.33
05   Dvořák: Piano Concerto in G minor, op.33
05   Tcherepnin: Piano Concerto No.2,  op.22
05   Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 20 in D Minor, K.466
04   Scriabin: Prométhée: Le Poème du Feu, op.60
04   Villa-Lobos: Choros No. 11 for piano and orchestra
03   Bach: Concerto for Harpsichord and Orchestra in D minor, BWV 1052
02   Bach: Concerto for Harpsichord and Orchestra in D Major, BWV 1054
02   Liszt: Totentanz
01   Shostakovich: Concerto for Piano, Trumpet & Strings in C minor, op.35
-1   Liszt: Piano Concerto No.1 in E flat major, S.124
-2   Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 5 in G major, op.55
-2   Stravinsky: Capriccio for Piano and Orchestra
-2   Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 21 in C, K.467
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Cato

#247
June 30, 2011, 04:42:27 PM
Somebody wants to walk with a limp!   $:)

;D  (Brando's Godfather voice is best for that line.)
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Lethevich

#248
June 30, 2011, 05:26:09 PM
After: Amfortas

+3 Liszt: Totentanz
+2 Liszt: Piano Concerto No.1 in E flat major, S.124
+1 Shostakovich: Concerto for Piano, Trumpet & Strings in C minor, op.35
-1 Alkan: Concerto pour piano seul, op.39/8-10
-2 Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No.1 in D flat major, op.10

22   Mozart: Piano Concerto No.24 in C minor, K.491
16   Alkan: Concerto pour piano seul, op.39/8-10
16   Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No.1 in D flat major, op.10
13   Saint-Saëns: Piano Concerto No.2 in G minor, op.22
13   Beethoven: Piano Concerto No.5 in E flat, Op.73
11   Scriabin: Piano Concerto in F sharp minor, op.20
10   de Falla: Nights in the Gardens of Spain (Noches en los Jardines de España)
09   Poulenc: Aubade, Concerto chorégraphique for piano and 18 instruments
08   Chopin: Piano Concerto No.1 in E minor, op.11
08   Busoni: Piano Concerto in C major, Op. 39
06   Medtner: Piano Concerto No.1 in C minor, op.33
05   Dvořák: Piano Concerto in G minor, op.33
05   Liszt: Totentanz
05   Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 20 in D Minor, K.466
05   Tcherepnin: Piano Concerto No.2,  op.22
04   Scriabin: Prométhée: Le Poème du Feu, op.60
04   Villa-Lobos: Choros No. 11 for piano and orchestra
03   Bach: Concerto for Harpsichord and Orchestra in D minor, BWV 1052
02   Bach: Concerto for Harpsichord and Orchestra in D Major, BWV 1054
02   Shostakovich: Concerto for Piano, Trumpet & Strings in C minor, op.35
01   Liszt: Piano Concerto No.1 in E flat major, S.124
-2   Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 5 in G major, op.55
-2   Stravinsky: Capriccio for Piano and Orchestra
-2   Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 21 in C, K.467
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Brahmsian

#249
June 30, 2011, 05:27:32 PM
Did Saint-Saens' PC # 5 ever make the list at all?  Has it been sent to immortal heaven?

Cato

#250
June 30, 2011, 05:32:47 PM Last Edit: June 30, 2011, 05:34:45 PM by Cato
After: Lethe

+3 Busoni
+ 2 Beethoven
+ 1 Scriabin Concerto

22   Mozart: Piano Concerto No.24 in C minor, K.491
16   Alkan: Concerto pour piano seul, op.39/8-10
16   Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No.1 in D flat major, op.10
15   Beethoven: Piano Concerto No.5 in E flat, Op.73
13   Saint-Saëns: Piano Concerto No.2 in G minor, op.22
12   Scriabin: Piano Concerto in F sharp minor, op.20
11   Busoni: Piano Concerto in C major, Op. 39
10   de Falla: Nights in the Gardens of Spain (Noches en los Jardines de España)
09   Poulenc: Aubade, Concerto chorégraphique for piano and 18 instruments
08   Chopin: Piano Concerto No.1 in E minor, op.11
06   Medtner: Piano Concerto No.1 in C minor, op.33
05   Dvořák: Piano Concerto in G minor, op.33
05   Liszt: Totentanz
05   Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 20 in D Minor, K.466
05   Tcherepnin: Piano Concerto No.2,  op.22
04   Scriabin: Prométhée: Le Poème du Feu, op.60
04   Villa-Lobos: Choros No. 11 for piano and orchestra
03   Bach: Concerto for Harpsichord and Orchestra in D minor, BWV 1052
02   Bach: Concerto for Harpsichord and Orchestra in D Major, BWV 1054
02   Shostakovich: Concerto for Piano, Trumpet & Strings in C minor, op.35
01   Liszt: Piano Concerto No.1 in E flat major, S.124
-2   Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 5 in G major, op.55
-2   Stravinsky: Capriccio for Piano and Orchestra
-2   Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 21 in C, K.467
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Brahmsian

#251
June 30, 2011, 05:42:48 PM Last Edit: June 30, 2011, 05:46:44 PM by ChamberNut
After: Leon

+3 Saint-Saens PC # 5 'Eqyptian'
+2 Busoni
+1 Prokofiev:  Piano Concerto No. 1 in D flat major


16   Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No.1 in D flat major, op.10
15   Beethoven: Piano Concerto No.5 in E flat, Op.73
14   Alkan: Concerto pour piano seul, op.39/8-10
13   Saint-Saëns: Piano Concerto No.2 in G minor, op.22
13   Busoni: Piano Concerto in C major, Op. 39
12   Poulenc: Aubade, Concerto chorégraphique for piano and 18 instruments
11   Scriabin: Piano Concerto in F sharp minor, op.20
10   de Falla: Nights in the Gardens of Spain (Noches en los Jardines de España)
08   Chopin: Piano Concerto No.1 in E minor, op.11
07   Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 20 in D Minor, K.466
06   Medtner: Piano Concerto No.1 in C minor, op.33
05   Dvořák: Piano Concerto in G minor, op.33
05   Liszt: Totentanz
05   Tcherepnin: Piano Concerto No.2,  op.22
04   Scriabin: Prométhée: Le Poème du Feu, op.60
04   Villa-Lobos: Choros No. 11 for piano and orchestra
03   Bach: Concerto for Harpsichord and Orchestra in D minor, BWV 1052
03   Saint-Saens:  Piano Concerto No. 5 in F major, Op.103 'Egyptian'
02   Bach: Concerto for Harpsichord and Orchestra in D Major, BWV 1054
02   Shostakovich: Concerto for Piano, Trumpet & Strings in C minor, op.35
01   Liszt: Piano Concerto No.1 in E flat major, S.124
01 Gershwin Piano Concerto in F
-2   Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 5 in G major, op.55
-2   Stravinsky: Capriccio for Piano and Orchestra
-2   Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 21 in C, K.467

Brahmsian

#252
June 30, 2011, 05:47:04 PM
Quote from: Leon on June 30, 2011, 05:45:00 PM
You must havee grabbed my list before I had corrected Poulenc's amount - he should have 12

Done!  :)

eyeresist

#253
June 30, 2011, 05:54:06 PM

I just realised I don't have the Shostakovich piano concertos ripped to my computer. A terrible oversight.

Wanderer

#254
June 30, 2011, 10:41:45 PM Last Edit: June 30, 2011, 10:48:10 PM by Wanderer
Quote from: ChamberNut on June 30, 2011, 05:27:32 PM
Did Saint-Saens' PC # 5 ever make the list at all?  Has it been sent to immortal heaven?

It hasn't even been voted in the board yet (for a current version of The List, see as always first thread page, post #2) and, as far as I'm concerned, it'll be among the last ones to enter it.  >:D

(wait, it just has!;)

Brahmsian

#255
June 30, 2011, 10:43:24 PM
Quote from: Wanderer on June 30, 2011, 10:41:45 PM
It hasn't even been voted in the board yet (for a current version of The List, see as always first thread page, post #2) and, as far as I'm concerned, it'll be among the last ones to enter it.  >:D

I checked.  It wasn't, so I added it to the list.  :)

Wanderer

#256
June 30, 2011, 10:50:19 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on June 30, 2011, 10:43:24 PM
I checked.  It wasn't, so I added it to the list.  :)

To the board. You added it to the board. The List awaits.  0:)

Wanderer

#257
June 30, 2011, 10:53:52 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on June 30, 2011, 10:43:24 PM
I checked.  It wasn't, so I added it to the list board.  :)

And now that I'm checking, you also have your fast-track vote for a straight-to-The-List nomination to cast. Choose wisely!

eyeresist

#258
June 30, 2011, 10:54:33 PM
So when this list (and the chamber music list) is done, are we going to poll for favourite recordings? When the results are in, perhaps we could issue a CD of "GMG's Choice" and make lots of money!

:D

Luke

#259
June 30, 2011, 11:13:12 PM
slightly less than 12 hours since I voted, but I won't be able to vote at all otherwise until this evening, so...discount them if you want, I'd be voting the same way in a couple of hours time anyway!

After: ChamberNut

Alkan + 3 - not having this disrespecting of a piece which is a compositional miracle in every single way!
Busoni + 2
Shostakovich 1 + 1
and its companion should be here too, a piece I fell in deep love with as a boy, speaking of which, as it's clear that Beethoven stole from Shostakovich's 2 in the Emperor - just compare the slow movements, and the finale link - I have a not-at-all-anachronistic and not-at-all-tactical justification for:
Beethoven 5 -1
and to round off
Villa Lobos - 2

17   Alkan: Concerto pour piano seul, op.39/8-10
16   Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No.1 in D flat major, op.10
15   Busoni: Piano Concerto in C major, Op. 39
14   Beethoven: Piano Concerto No.5 in E flat, Op.73
13   Saint-Saëns: Piano Concerto No.2 in G minor, op.22
12   Poulenc: Aubade, Concerto chorégraphique for piano and 18 instruments
11   Scriabin: Piano Concerto in F sharp minor, op.20
10   de Falla: Nights in the Gardens of Spain (Noches en los Jardines de España)
08   Chopin: Piano Concerto No.1 in E minor, op.11
07   Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 20 in D Minor, K.466
06   Medtner: Piano Concerto No.1 in C minor, op.33
05   Dvořák: Piano Concerto in G minor, op.33
05   Liszt: Totentanz
05   Tcherepnin: Piano Concerto No.2,  op.22
04   Scriabin: Prométhée: Le Poème du Feu, op.60
03   Shostakovich: Concerto for Piano, Trumpet & Strings in C minor, op.35
03   Bach: Concerto for Harpsichord and Orchestra in D minor, BWV 1052
03   Saint-Saens:  Piano Concerto No. 5 in F major, Op.103 'Egyptian'
02   Bach: Concerto for Harpsichord and Orchestra in D Major, BWV 1054
02   Villa-Lobos: Choros No. 11 for piano and orchestra
01   Liszt: Piano Concerto No.1 in E flat major, S.124
01 Gershwin Piano Concerto in F
-2   Stravinsky: Capriccio for Piano and Orchestra
-2   Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 21 in C, K.467
-2   Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 5 in G major, op.55
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