GMG's Favorite Symphonies

[mc ukrneal]

After Wanderer (I'm with you on Brahms 1, and I hope my votes help get the logjam moving)

+3 Brahms 1
+1 Dvorak 7
-1 Beethoven 2
-1 Mahler 3


20 Brahms: Symphony № 1
14 Mahler: Symphony  № 3 in d minor
14 Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D minor, Op. 70
14 Beethoven Symphony № 2 in D major Op.36
14 Brahms: Symphony № 3 in F, op.90
12 Shostakovich Symphony No. 5 In D Minor, Op. 47
09 Rachmaninov: Symphony No. 2 in E minor, Op. 27
09 Berlioz: Roméo et Juliette
03 Haydn: Symphony № 103
03 Tchaikovsky Symphony No. 2 in C minor, Op. 17 "Little Russian"
02 Nielsen: Symphony № 5, Op. 50
02 Sibelius Symphony №1 in E minor, Op. 39
02 Franck: Symphony in D minor, M48
02 Prokofiev: Symphony No. 3 in C minor, Op.44
02 Saint-Saëns: Symphony № 3 in C minor, op.78 "avec orgue"
02 Mozart: Symphony No.38 "Prague"
01 Mozart: Symphony № 41 in C major, K.551 "Jupiter"
01 Schubert: Symphony № 3
01 Shostakovich: Symphony No. 1 in F minor, Op.10
00 Haydn: Symphony № 101
00 Vermeulen: Symphony № 2, Prélude à la nouvelle journée

[Conor71]

After mc ukrneal


Shostakovich 5 +2
Sibelius 1 +2
Berlioz -2



20 Brahms: Symphony № 1
14 Mahler: Symphony  № 3 in d minor
14 Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D minor, Op. 70
14 Beethoven Symphony № 2 in D major Op.36
14 Brahms: Symphony № 3 in F, op.90
14 Shostakovich Symphony No. 5 In D Minor, Op. 47
09 Rachmaninov: Symphony No. 2 in E minor, Op. 27
07 Berlioz: Roméo et Juliette
04 Sibelius Symphony №1 in E minor, Op. 39
03 Haydn: Symphony № 103
03 Tchaikovsky Symphony No. 2 in C minor, Op. 17 "Little Russian"
02 Nielsen: Symphony № 5, Op. 50
02 Franck: Symphony in D minor, M48
02 Prokofiev: Symphony No. 3 in C minor, Op.44
02 Saint-Saëns: Symphony № 3 in C minor, op.78 "avec orgue"
02 Mozart: Symphony No.38 "Prague"
01 Mozart: Symphony № 41 in C major, K.551 "Jupiter"
01 Schubert: Symphony № 3
01 Shostakovich: Symphony No. 1 in F minor, Op.10
00 Haydn: Symphony № 101
00 Vermeulen: Symphony № 2, Prélude à la nouvelle journée

[Amfortas]

After Conor71

Berlioz Romeo -2
Mahler 3 +3
Shostak 5 +2


20 Brahms: Symphony № 1
17 Mahler: Symphony  № 3 in d minor
16 Shostakovich Symphony No. 5 In D Minor, Op. 47
14 Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D minor, Op. 70
14 Beethoven Symphony № 2 in D major Op.36
14 Brahms: Symphony № 3 in F, op.90
09 Rachmaninov: Symphony No. 2 in E minor, Op. 27
05 Berlioz: Roméo et Juliette
04 Sibelius Symphony №1 in E minor, Op. 39
03 Haydn: Symphony № 103
03 Tchaikovsky Symphony No. 2 in C minor, Op. 17 "Little Russian"
02 Nielsen: Symphony № 5, Op. 50
02 Franck: Symphony in D minor, M48
02 Prokofiev: Symphony No. 3 in C minor, Op.44
02 Saint-Saëns: Symphony № 3 in C minor, op.78 "avec orgue"
02 Mozart: Symphony No.38 "Prague"
01 Mozart: Symphony № 41 in C major, K.551 "Jupiter"
01 Schubert: Symphony № 3
01 Shostakovich: Symphony No. 1 in F minor, Op.10
00 Haydn: Symphony № 101
00 Vermeulen: Symphony № 2, Prélude à la nouvelle journée

[mszczuj]

After: Amfortas  (doesn't sound it wagnerian?)

+3  Brahms: Symphony № 1 (elevated)
+1 Beethoven Symphony № 2 in D major Op.36
-1 Shostakovich Symphony No. 5 In D Minor, Op. 47
-1 Mahler: Symphony  № 3 in d minor

23 Brahms: Symphony № 1

16 Mahler: Symphony  № 3 in d minor
15 Beethoven Symphony № 2 in D major Op.36
15 Shostakovich Symphony No. 5 In D Minor, Op. 47
14 Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D minor, Op. 70
14 Brahms: Symphony № 3 in F, op.90
09 Rachmaninov: Symphony No. 2 in E minor, Op. 27
05 Berlioz: Roméo et Juliette
04 Sibelius Symphony №1 in E minor, Op. 39
03 Haydn: Symphony № 103
03 Tchaikovsky Symphony No. 2 in C minor, Op. 17 "Little Russian"
02 Nielsen: Symphony № 5, Op. 50
02 Franck: Symphony in D minor, M48
02 Prokofiev: Symphony No. 3 in C minor, Op.44
02 Saint-Saëns: Symphony № 3 in C minor, op.78 "avec orgue"
02 Mozart: Symphony No.38 "Prague"
01 Mozart: Symphony № 41 in C major, K.551 "Jupiter"
01 Schubert: Symphony № 3
01 Shostakovich: Symphony No. 1 in F minor, Op.10
00 Haydn: Symphony № 101
00 Vermeulen: Symphony № 2, Prélude à la nouvelle journée


(you Brahms lovers, you owe me 2 points - I should rather vote Beethoven+3, Brahms-2 and still have +1 for something I like and have №5 on board 2 points down Beethoven not 1 as I have now - but you made me spent my 3 points to the symphony which I really, really  considered inferior - well, years ago I had spent dozens of good hours with it - so let it go!)

[Wanderer]

After: mszczuj

+3 Brahms 3
+1 Berlioz
-2 Rachmaninov 2


17 Brahms: Symphony № 3 in F, op.90
16 Mahler: Symphony  № 3 in d minor
15 Beethoven Symphony № 2 in D major Op.36
15 Shostakovich Symphony No. 5 In D Minor, Op. 47
14 Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D minor, Op. 70
07 Rachmaninov: Symphony No. 2 in E minor, Op. 27
06 Berlioz: Roméo et Juliette
04 Sibelius Symphony №1 in E minor, Op. 39
03 Haydn: Symphony № 103
03 Tchaikovsky Symphony No. 2 in C minor, Op. 17 "Little Russian"
02 Nielsen: Symphony № 5, Op. 50
02 Franck: Symphony in D minor, M48
02 Prokofiev: Symphony No. 3 in C minor, Op.44
02 Saint-Saëns: Symphony № 3 in C minor, op.78 "avec orgue"
02 Mozart: Symphony No.38 "Prague"
01 Mozart: Symphony № 41 in C major, K.551 "Jupiter"
01 Schubert: Symphony № 3
01 Shostakovich: Symphony No. 1 in F minor, Op.10
00 Haydn: Symphony № 101
00 Vermeulen: Symphony № 2, Prélude à la nouvelle journée

[mc ukrneal]

After Wanderer (means it must be my turn! )

+2 Rach 2
+2 Shosty 5 (this just has to go in doesn't it?)
-1 Brahms 3
-1 Beethoven 2

17 Shostakovich Symphony No. 5 In D Minor, Op. 47
16 Brahms: Symphony № 3 in F, op.90
16 Mahler: Symphony  № 3 in d minor
14 Beethoven Symphony № 2 in D major Op.36
14 Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D minor, Op. 70
09 Rachmaninov: Symphony No. 2 in E minor, Op. 27
06 Berlioz: Roméo et Juliette
04 Sibelius Symphony №1 in E minor, Op. 39
03 Haydn: Symphony № 103
03 Tchaikovsky Symphony No. 2 in C minor, Op. 17 "Little Russian"
02 Nielsen: Symphony № 5, Op. 50
02 Franck: Symphony in D minor, M48
02 Prokofiev: Symphony No. 3 in C minor, Op.44
02 Saint-Saëns: Symphony № 3 in C minor, op.78 "avec orgue"
02 Mozart: Symphony No.38 "Prague"
01 Mozart: Symphony № 41 in C major, K.551 "Jupiter"
01 Schubert: Symphony № 3
01 Shostakovich: Symphony No. 1 in F minor, Op.10
00 Haydn: Symphony № 101
00 Vermeulen: Symphony № 2, Prélude à la nouvelle journée

[mszczuj]

After: mc ukrneal

+3 Beethoven Symphony № 2 in D major Op.36
+1 Beethoven Symphony № 1 in C major Op.21 (new)
-2 Shostakovich Symphony No. 5 In D Minor, Op. 47

17 Beethoven Symphony № 2 in D major Op.36
16 Brahms: Symphony № 3 in F, op.90
15 Mahler: Symphony  № 3 in d minor
15 Shostakovich Symphony No. 5 In D Minor, Op. 47
14 Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D minor, Op. 70
09 Rachmaninov: Symphony No. 2 in E minor, Op. 27
06 Berlioz: Roméo et Juliette
04 Sibelius Symphony №1 in E minor, Op. 39
03 Haydn: Symphony № 103
03 Tchaikovsky Symphony No. 2 in C minor, Op. 17 "Little Russian"
02 Nielsen: Symphony № 5, Op. 50
02 Franck: Symphony in D minor, M48
02 Prokofiev: Symphony No. 3 in C minor, Op.44
02 Saint-Saëns: Symphony № 3 in C minor, op.78 "avec orgue"
02 Mozart: Symphony No.38 "Prague"
01 Beethoven Symphony № 1 in C major Op.21
01 Mozart: Symphony № 41 in C major, K.551 "Jupiter"
01 Schubert: Symphony № 3
01 Shostakovich: Symphony No. 1 in F minor, Op.10
00 Haydn: Symphony № 101
00 Vermeulen: Symphony № 2, Prélude à la nouvelle journée

[haziz]

After mszczuj

+3 Dvorak 7
+1 Tchaikovsky 2

-2 Shostakovich 5


17 Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D minor, Op. 70
17 Beethoven Symphony № 2 in D major Op.36
16 Brahms: Symphony № 3 in F, op.90
15 Mahler: Symphony  № 3 in d minor
13 Shostakovich Symphony No. 5 In D Minor, Op. 47
09 Rachmaninov: Symphony No. 2 in E minor, Op. 27
06 Berlioz: Roméo et Juliette
04 Tchaikovsky Symphony No. 2 in C minor, Op. 17 "Little Russian"
04 Sibelius Symphony №1 in E minor, Op. 39
03 Haydn: Symphony № 103
02 Nielsen: Symphony № 5, Op. 50
02 Franck: Symphony in D minor, M48
02 Prokofiev: Symphony No. 3 in C minor, Op.44
02 Saint-Saëns: Symphony № 3 in C minor, op.78 "avec orgue"
02 Mozart: Symphony No.38 "Prague"
01 Beethoven Symphony № 1 in C major Op.21
01 Mozart: Symphony № 41 in C major, K.551 "Jupiter"
01 Schubert: Symphony № 3
01 Shostakovich: Symphony No. 1 in F minor, Op.10
00 Haydn: Symphony № 101
00 Vermeulen: Symphony № 2, Prélude à la nouvelle journée

[mc ukrneal]

After: mc ukrneal

+3 Beethoven Symphony № 2 in D major Op.36
+1 Beethoven Symphony № 1 in C major Op.21 (new)
-1 Mahler: Symphony  № 3 in d minor
-2 Shostakovich Symphony No. 5 In D Minor, Op. 47

Your negative votes are too high. You do either -1/-1 or -2.

[mszczuj]

Your negative votes are too high. You do either -1/-1 or -2.

Sorry.  Repaired.

Revised board

17 Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D minor, Op. 70
17 Beethoven Symphony № 2 in D major Op.36
16 Brahms: Symphony № 3 in F, op.90
16 Mahler: Symphony  № 3 in d minor
13 Shostakovich Symphony No. 5 In D Minor, Op. 47
09 Rachmaninov: Symphony No. 2 in E minor, Op. 27
06 Berlioz: Roméo et Juliette
04 Tchaikovsky Symphony No. 2 in C minor, Op. 17 "Little Russian"
04 Sibelius Symphony №1 in E minor, Op. 39
03 Haydn: Symphony № 103
02 Nielsen: Symphony № 5, Op. 50
02 Franck: Symphony in D minor, M48
02 Prokofiev: Symphony No. 3 in C minor, Op.44
02 Saint-Saëns: Symphony № 3 in C minor, op.78 "avec orgue"
02 Mozart: Symphony No.38 "Prague"
01 Beethoven Symphony № 1 in C major Op.21
01 Mozart: Symphony № 41 in C major, K.551 "Jupiter"
01 Schubert: Symphony № 3
01 Shostakovich: Symphony No. 1 in F minor, Op.10
00 Haydn: Symphony № 101
00 Vermeulen: Symphony № 2, Prélude à la nouvelle journée

[Conor71]

After mszczuj


Shostakovich 5 +3
Dvorak 7 +1
Beethoven 2 -2



18 Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D minor, Op. 70
16 Brahms: Symphony № 3 in F, op.90
16 Mahler: Symphony  № 3 in d minor
16 Shostakovich Symphony No. 5 In D Minor, Op. 47
15 Beethoven Symphony № 2 in D major Op.36
09 Rachmaninov: Symphony No. 2 in E minor, Op. 27
06 Berlioz: Roméo et Juliette
04 Tchaikovsky Symphony No. 2 in C minor, Op. 17 "Little Russian"
04 Sibelius Symphony №1 in E minor, Op. 39
03 Haydn: Symphony № 103
02 Nielsen: Symphony № 5, Op. 50
02 Franck: Symphony in D minor, M48
02 Prokofiev: Symphony No. 3 in C minor, Op.44
02 Saint-Saëns: Symphony № 3 in C minor, op.78 "avec orgue"
02 Mozart: Symphony No.38 "Prague"
01 Beethoven Symphony № 1 in C major Op.21
01 Mozart: Symphony № 41 in C major, K.551 "Jupiter"
01 Schubert: Symphony № 3
01 Shostakovich: Symphony No. 1 in F minor, Op.10
00 Haydn: Symphony № 101
00 Vermeulen: Symphony № 2, Prélude à la nouvelle journée

[Wanderer]

After: Conor71

+3 Brahms 3
+1 Mozart 38
-2 Beethoven 2



19 Brahms: Symphony № 3 in F, op.90
18 Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D minor, Op. 70
16 Mahler: Symphony  № 3 in d minor
16 Shostakovich Symphony No. 5 In D Minor, Op. 47
13 Beethoven Symphony № 2 in D major Op.36
09 Rachmaninov: Symphony No. 2 in E minor, Op. 27
06 Berlioz: Roméo et Juliette
04 Tchaikovsky Symphony No. 2 in C minor, Op. 17 "Little Russian"
04 Sibelius Symphony №1 in E minor, Op. 39
03 Mozart: Symphony No.38 "Prague"
03 Haydn: Symphony № 103
02 Nielsen: Symphony № 5, Op. 50
02 Franck: Symphony in D minor, M48
02 Prokofiev: Symphony No. 3 in C minor, Op.44
02 Saint-Saëns: Symphony № 3 in C minor, op.78 "avec orgue"
01 Beethoven Symphony № 1 in C major Op.21
01 Mozart: Symphony № 41 in C major, K.551 "Jupiter"
01 Schubert: Symphony № 3
01 Shostakovich: Symphony No. 1 in F minor, Op.10
00 Haydn: Symphony № 101
00 Vermeulen: Symphony № 2, Prélude à la nouvelle journée

[mc ukrneal]

After Wanderer

+2 Brahms 3
+1 Shosty 5
+1 Saint-Saens 3
-1 Schubert 3
-1 Beethoven 2

21 Brahms: Symphony № 3 in F, op.90
18 Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D minor, Op. 70
17 Shostakovich Symphony No. 5 In D Minor, Op. 47
16 Mahler: Symphony  № 3 in d minor
12 Beethoven Symphony № 2 in D major Op.36
09 Rachmaninov: Symphony No. 2 in E minor, Op. 27
06 Berlioz: Roméo et Juliette
04 Tchaikovsky Symphony No. 2 in C minor, Op. 17 "Little Russian"
04 Sibelius Symphony №1 in E minor, Op. 39
03 Mozart: Symphony No.38 "Prague"
03 Haydn: Symphony № 103
03 Saint-Saëns: Symphony № 3 in C minor, op.78 "avec orgue"
02 Nielsen: Symphony № 5, Op. 50
02 Franck: Symphony in D minor, M48
02 Prokofiev: Symphony No. 3 in C minor, Op.44
01 Beethoven Symphony № 1 in C major Op.21
01 Mozart: Symphony № 41 in C major, K.551 "Jupiter"
01 Shostakovich: Symphony No. 1 in F minor, Op.10
00 Schubert: Symphony № 3
00 Haydn: Symphony № 101
00 Vermeulen: Symphony № 2, Prélude à la nouvelle journée

[haziz]

After mc ukrneal

+1 Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D minor, Op. 70
+3 Tchaikovsky Symphony No. 2 in C minor, Op. 17 "Little Russian"

-2 Shostakovich Symphony No. 5 In D Minor, Op. 47

21 Brahms: Symphony № 3 in F, op.90
19 Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D minor, Op. 70
16 Mahler: Symphony  № 3 in d minor
15 Shostakovich Symphony No. 5 In D Minor, Op. 47
12 Beethoven Symphony № 2 in D major Op.36
09 Rachmaninov: Symphony No. 2 in E minor, Op. 27
07 Tchaikovsky Symphony No. 2 in C minor, Op. 17 "Little Russian"
06 Berlioz: Roméo et Juliette
04 Sibelius Symphony №1 in E minor, Op. 39
03 Mozart: Symphony No.38 "Prague"
03 Haydn: Symphony № 103
03 Saint-Saëns: Symphony № 3 in C minor, op.78 "avec orgue"
02 Nielsen: Symphony № 5, Op. 50
02 Franck: Symphony in D minor, M48
02 Prokofiev: Symphony No. 3 in C minor, Op.44
01 Beethoven Symphony № 1 in C major Op.21
01 Mozart: Symphony № 41 in C major, K.551 "Jupiter"
01 Shostakovich: Symphony No. 1 in F minor, Op.10
00 Schubert: Symphony № 3
00 Haydn: Symphony № 101
00 Vermeulen: Symphony № 2, Prélude à la nouvelle journée

[mszczuj]

Beethoven 2 -2

-2 Beethoven 2

-1 Beethoven 2

[mszczuj]

After: haziz

+3  Beethoven Symphony № 2 in D major Op.36
+1  Beethoven Symphony № 1 in C major Op.21
-2   Brahms: Symphony № 3 in F, op.90

19 Brahms: Symphony № 3 in F, op.90
19 Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D minor, Op. 70
16 Mahler: Symphony  № 3 in d minor
15 Beethoven Symphony № 2 in D major Op.36
15 Shostakovich Symphony No. 5 In D Minor, Op. 47
09 Rachmaninov: Symphony No. 2 in E minor, Op. 27
07 Tchaikovsky Symphony No. 2 in C minor, Op. 17 "Little Russian"
06 Berlioz: Roméo et Juliette
04 Sibelius Symphony №1 in E minor, Op. 39
03 Mozart: Symphony No.38 "Prague"
03 Haydn: Symphony № 103
03 Saint-Saëns: Symphony № 3 in C minor, op.78 "avec orgue"
02 Nielsen: Symphony № 5, Op. 50
02 Franck: Symphony in D minor, M48
02 Prokofiev: Symphony No. 3 in C minor, Op.44
02 Beethoven Symphony № 1 in C major Op.21
01 Mozart: Symphony № 41 in C major, K.551 "Jupiter"
01 Shostakovich: Symphony No. 1 in F minor, Op.10
00 Schubert: Symphony № 3
00 Haydn: Symphony № 101
00 Vermeulen: Symphony № 2, Prélude à la nouvelle journée

[mc ukrneal]

I gave you your two points by twice voting only -1 when I would have voted -2. Your vote was noted - and thanks!  Personally, I'd be happy to vote for Brahms 3, Shosty 5, or Dvorak 7, all of which should definitely be in the list.

With all the difficulty getting Beethoven 2 through, I am surprised to see beethoven 1. I think it is too early. Need to let a few other names through. But even so, I am not sure all 9 should be on the list. But with the headwinds to Beethoven 2, #1 might get swept along.

[Amfortas]

After Msz

Mahler 3 +3
Shostak 5 +2
Berlioz Romeo -2

19 Brahms: Symphony № 3 in F, op.90
19 Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D minor, Op. 70
19 Mahler: Symphony  № 3 in d minor
17 Shostakovich Symphony No. 5 In D Minor, Op. 47
15 Beethoven Symphony № 2 in D major Op.36
09 Rachmaninov: Symphony No. 2 in E minor, Op. 27
07 Tchaikovsky Symphony No. 2 in C minor, Op. 17 "Little Russian"
04 Berlioz: Roméo et Juliette
04 Sibelius Symphony №1 in E minor, Op. 39
03 Mozart: Symphony No.38 "Prague"
03 Haydn: Symphony № 103
03 Saint-Saëns: Symphony № 3 in C minor, op.78 "avec orgue"
02 Nielsen: Symphony № 5, Op. 50
02 Franck: Symphony in D minor, M48
02 Prokofiev: Symphony No. 3 in C minor, Op.44
02 Beethoven Symphony № 1 in C major Op.21
01 Mozart: Symphony № 41 in C major, K.551 "Jupiter"
01 Shostakovich: Symphony No. 1 in F minor, Op.10
00 Schubert: Symphony № 3
00 Haydn: Symphony № 101
00 Vermeulen: Symphony № 2, Prélude à la nouvelle journée

[mszczuj]

I gave you your two points by twice voting only -1 when I would have voted -2. Your vote was noted - and thanks!  Personally, I'd be happy to vote for Brahms 3, Shosty 5, or Dvorak 7, all of which should definitely be in the list.

I absolutely want about 16 of symfonies from the board in the List. Without any doubt all of them which currently have more than 2 points. If any of them is about 3 points ahead rest I will vote for it probably. But I'm almost the only one here to vote on classical symphonies and must hardly fight for them. I'm absolutely convinvced that on the list shiuld be all Beethoven's symphonies, at least 4 last Mozart's symphonies and at least 3 last London Symphonies of Haydn - I'm not vary happy that Haydn is represented on List only by the Oxford. I think that classical symphony is very interesting form in some aspects more complicated than romantic and deserves to not be underrepresented here. i call it more complicated because they are buil from smaller meaning units. In romantic symphony the theme is the mean meaning unit. In classical symphon the main meaning unit is motif interpreted in relation to it context.

With all the difficulty getting Beethoven 2 through, I am surprised to see beethoven 1. I think it is too early. Need to let a few other names through. But even so, I am not sure all 9 should be on the list. But with the headwinds to Beethoven 2, #1 might get swept along.

The problem with 1st is that it is - in my opinion - almost completely misunderstood. It is regarded as something on the way from last Mozart's symphonies and Haydn's London symphonies. In my opinion it is work of absolutely other kind than symphonies from late 1780-s and 1790-s. Yes, the 2nd is the work of this kind but graeter than its precedesors and the 4th is. One of main aspects of this model is an important slow movement set as opposite to first movement. But Beethoven work within two diffrent models as well.

One of this model is symphony with composite movement - in which some movements are connected in one chain - this is model of 5th, 6th and 9th.

The third model I call suite-symphony and it is model of 3rd, 7th, 8th. In it there are some characteristic pieces as inner movements  and outers movements has definitely dance character. Yes I think fitst movement of Eroica has a dance character. It is great inresistible waltz. Try Goodman if you don't believe me - but you can feel it in Kletzki's and probably Stokowski's (if I remember him correctly) interpretations.   

The 1st is not suite-symphony yet but it is step in its direction with its ethereal andante. But it is work of very special spiritual content, which has no analogue in history of symphony - and little in history of music. If I have to call somethig to reveal its character I will point at Violin Concerto and op135 finale or name it like "Entrance at Elysium" - (but of course it is music not literature and should be not treated as Symphonie fantastique). Just listen how impossibly solemn is this Introduction which must begin in F major to make you can breath with this  elisean C major and to fly in it.

 

[kishnevi]

(intervening for a moment)
May I remind y'all that the final List is already nearly halfway to completion, and you might want to consider which symphonies you consider absolutely essential for the list, and which are merely desireable?

It didn't occur to me that anyone would consider Beethoven 1 or Beethoven 2 for inclusion here; but I am surprised that Haydn and Mozart are, at least, for the moment, so sparsely represented.  But those are matters that are up to you voters and not me.

(withdraws back into Olympian impartiality)