Amy Winehouse RIP

[snyprrr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgfrxZlrYR4

I guess maybe she should have gone to rehab after all.

That's all I ever saw .. just another out-of-control pop icon loser who did a lot of drugs.

Guys!! Guys!! Woah now,... I was, uh,... really expecting a little more out of you both. I'm soooo disappointed in you both. Here,... let me show you the outrage:











(banging fists on table) :oTALENT??

what?, excu... :oTALENT??


Emulating the vocal stylings of a doped up American Black Jazz Singer is  :oTALENT?? Wasn't it the '60s when mumbling was hip??

What dearth of the '90s brought us to such the common denominator of of giving Blue Ribbons... for trying?...


I watched the recommended 'pre' bad days AW video,... some jazzy, standard sounding thing,... and was not prepared for the outrage I felt a mere 30 seconds later. I was like,... It went from Ricky Lee Jones,... to THIS?? THIS is what they're  ???RAVING about?? And this is the pre-drug days??


I'm afraid the concept of 'hipness' has left the building. You're not going to pull this one over on me. Am I the only one who sees that the Emperor has no clothes? I'm sure Lindsay Lohan can sing juuust as well as this one,... you just wait,... some idiot is going to reinvent themselves before your eyes, and you'll all lap it up,... grrrr , it reminds me of Rod Stewart.

The Punk ethos seems now to have infected every seeping corner of Popular Music History. You all I'm sure know what horrors are begotten when Classical-Goes-Punk.


No, sorry, I have to lay down the gauntlet here. I haven't yet looked closely into her life, but I do have a hard time believing she wasn't a sp... ok, I'm taking a deep breath...

I like the 'Double Rainbow Song' on YouTube waaay better than anything I've heard on the radio for years. ANYBODY who works as 'Talent' for 'Recording INDUSTRY' Music... and I can't think of anyone's who's not sucking beans right now,... they should ALL just...


Nevermind,... I'll just wait for when the electricity goes out.


btw- she was just foul alright, now, you see, i've gone over the line,... grrr,...

really?,... was Kurt Cobain 'talented'?


Whatever these peoples' 'talent' is,... I'm thinking it veers more towards the 'personally charismatic' side of things rather than the 'Artistic'.


...now I'm just hatin',... see what you've done to me,... it's all your fault...


PJ Harvey,... it's for you.

[snyprrr]

I am also slightly disturbed/confused as to why she gets a Thread, and Norway doesn't. Are we using her as succor so we don't have to discuss the elephant in the room?

[MDL]

It was just a pop song. Lets not celebrate a bankrupt art form just to commemorate the dead. From that little i read about it seems she had it coming anyway.

1) Back to Black was the name of the single and the album.

2) "had it coming anyway"? Go fuck yourself.

[MDL]

I am also slightly disturbed/confused as to why she gets a Thread, and Norway doesn't.

So start one. I thought it might be more appropriate to let someone from Norway start a thread.

[Josquin des Prez]

Emulating the vocal stylings of a doped up American Black Jazz Singer is  :oTALENT?? Wasn't it the '60s when mumbling was hip??

Pretty much my thoughts when i heard her. This is what a great Jazz singer is supposed to sound like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unbOp_DY15I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsJUDQNx9u8

This Amy whats her name was just another third rate prepped up pop phenomena. All image and little substance.

[Marc]

Emulating the vocal stylings of a doped up American Black Jazz Singer is  :oTALENT?? Wasn't it the '60s when mumbling was hip??

So?
Why would someone like you care about hipness?

... was Kurt Cobain 'talented'?

For a rock musician/singer, he probably was.
(But personally I don't need his CD's.)

Whatever these peoples' 'talent' is,... I'm thinking it veers more towards the 'personally charismatic' side of things rather than the 'Artistic'.

In some genres and styles, charisma and artistry go hand in hand. But the definition of those words changes from time to time, and the definition also differs from person to person.
In the 60s f.i., both the Beatles and the Stones were considered 'charismatic' and 'artistic', despite their differences.

I am also slightly disturbed/confused as to why she gets a Thread, and Norway doesn't.

Well then, I'm slightly disturbed/confused why you are here, reacting in this thread. As MDL said: plz, start the Norway thread! Or are you the 'talented' kind of person that never acts but only reacts?

This is what a great Jazz singer is supposed to sound like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unbOp_DY15I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsJUDQNx9u8

I agree: Nancy Wilson has got a beautiful voice.
But then: we can also choose between Teresa Berganza and Maria Callas as Carmen. Should everything in music & arts be divided in black/white, good/bad?

This Amy whats her name was just another third rate prepped up pop phenomena. All image and little substance.

Which proves that you haven't checked out her biography very well. She became an image after becoming famous (at first: in the jazz and sould world, even though you might dislike that idea), and couldn't handle that fame.
And even if you dislike her voice, her music, her appearance: to watch someone drown in public and eventually die at such a young age, is a tragic story. This is not about true art or stirring non-fiction, this tragedy actually happened in reality and millions were able to see it, write about it, cry about it, laugh about it .... but no one was able to help.
That's sad.



Apart from being an icon, an image, a talent or a failure, Amy Winehouse was still someone's daughter.

[knight66]

I think that something that set her apart and made her distinctive was that she wrote or co-wrote most of her material. The life she was leading was often the springboard for the work. She had a lot of talent. But she crashed and burned unable to deal with her problems.

Quote

'Winehouse's 2003 debut album, Frank, was critically successful in the UK and was nominated for the Mercury Prize. Her 2006 follow-up album, Back to Black, led to six Grammy Award nominations and five wins, tying the record for the most wins by a female artist in a single night, and made Winehouse the first British singer to win five Grammys,[3][4] including three of the "Big Four": Best New Artist, Record of the Year and Song of the Year. On 14 February 2007, she won a BRIT Award for Best British Female Artist; she had also been nominated for Best British Album. She won the Ivor Novello Award three times, one in 2004 for Best Contemporary Song (musically and lyrically) for "Stronger Than Me", one in 2007 for Best Contemporary Song for "Rehab", and one in 2008 for Best Song Musically and Lyrically for "Love Is a Losing Game", among other prestigious distinctions. The album was the third biggest seller of the 2000s in the United Kingdom.[5]'

There are real achievements here that were being widely recognised. Listening to her reminded me of the kind of pain that came through in a lot of the late material of Billy Holiday.

Turning to the happenings in Norway. Yes, whoever feels inclined, start a thread. Those events are indeed more important than whether Amy Winehouse was or was not a talented person. Also more important than whether Bernstein's or Abbado's Mahler 2 is the finer performance or who rates Mendelsshon's early work above that of the young Mozart.

Mike

[Lethevich]

The idea seems a bit tacky. I cringed when a webcaster I was listening to yesterday felt obliged to remind us that he doesn't agree with shooting children.

[Bruckner is God]

90 teenagers were executed in the terror attack in Norway two days ago.
I think that is far worse than a junkie who died because she was a drug abuser who refused to go to rehab.

[knight66]

I don't think anyone is disagreeing.

Mike

[Lethevich]

90 teenagers were executed in the terror attack in Norway two days ago.
I think that is far worse than a junkie who died because she was a drug abuser who refused to go to rehab.

Super edgy dude, you really showed that corpse a thing or to!

[Marc]

90 teenagers were executed in the terror attack in Norway two days ago.
I think that is far worse than a junkie who died because she was a drug abuser who refused to go to rehab.

But who has claimed that the death of Amy Winehouse is far worse than the assaults in Norway?

Super edgy dude, you really showed that corpse a thing or to!

Yeah, there are really brave people around here. Let's applaud them.

[MDL]

90 teenagers were executed in the terror attack in Norway two days ago.
I think that is far worse than a junkie who died because she was a drug abuser who refused to go to rehab.

Who is making value judgements or comparisons? A few thousand people will have died of Aids/starvation/malaria today and nobody started a thread about them, so why are you whingeing about the lack of a thread devoted to a hundred dead Norwegians? As  I said earlier, if you feel that strongly about the atrocity in Norway, start your own thread about it. It really isn't that difficult. I suppose sniping and bitching is much more fun. Christ, there are some vile c***s on this forum.

[knight66]

I have facillitated a thread on the topic so people can discus the event away from what is the unrelated material on this thread.

Mike

[eyeresist]

Emulating the vocal stylings of a doped up American Black Jazz Singer is  :oTALENT?? Wasn't it the '60s when mumbling was hip??

Do not speak on things whereof you do not know.

The Billy Holiday parallel is obvious, but unlike Billy, Winehouse actually wrote songs and played instruments.

Don't know what you mean about mumbling. Her ennunciation at least on record was always very clear, in my experience.

Regarding the jazz influence, the arrangements obviously pointed to that, but the actual songs show a larger debt to the soul music of the 1960s.


I have her first album, but sadly can't listen to it very often due to the horrendous compression that has become standard for pop music releases.

[Josquin des Prez]

The Billy Holiday parallel is obvious, but unlike Billy, Winehouse actually wrote songs and played instruments.

Billy Holiday was an infinitely greater artist then this hack. There was a level of rhythmic and harmonic complexity in Holiday's singing that this Amy Winehouse sounds like child play in comparison.

[eyeresist]

Grrrr! Modern stuff is bad!

[Josquin des Prez]

Modern stuff IS bad. Its downright pathetic at best, completely deranged at worst. You need to get better taste in music my friend.

[knight66]

But the real clincher here for JdP is that she was a woman and as such could not possibly have had genuine creative talent. Ergo: she needs to be rubbished.

Mike

[Josquin des Prez]

No, she needs to be rubbished because her music was mediocre tripe.