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« Reply #1320 on: January 20, 2020, 01:17:34 PM »
Yes, I also buy from them. They seem fair and square. They don't have everything I want, but then, no one else does either. They have BIS though, one of my favorite labels. They even ripped a disk for me once that they didn't have as a download, which I thought was a nice gesture. :)
My understanding is that eClassics is BIS
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« Reply #1321 on: January 20, 2020, 01:52:24 PM »
Well, I have Prime, so shipping is a non-issue. It's just that their base prices are nearly always full manufacturer's suggested retail (I don't know about non-Classical). Oddly enough, if I'm not in any rush, which I am usually not, I can often find what I want at a great price from the Marketplace vendor Momox, which is in Germany. Their shipping is usually quick (for overseas, that is) and their quality is always better than what they say. So if it is listed 'Very Good', usually it is really 'Like New'. I have ordered ~100 disks from them over the years and never been unhappy.

Even when you are trying to avoid buying CD's by getting flac downloads, there are some things where that just isn't going to happen. :-\

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My complaint was about their shipping procedures. For instance, the Naxos Johann Strauss box was supposed to be delivered to my local Amazon Hub today. The most recent tracking update shows it at a NW Miami facility yesterday, no indication that they did anything to move it the final 5 or 6 miles today. (My guess is the holiday is involved, but that's jusr a guess).

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Re: On-line Stores & Sellers
« Reply #1322 on: January 20, 2020, 05:33:39 PM »
My understanding is that eClassics is BIS

I believe that is true, but they also carry a ton of other labels, including Accent and Arcana, for example, which are high on my list too. Really, it's no different doing downloads than it was buying CD's: you have to hunt around a lot to find what you want and are willing to pay for.  :)

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« Reply #1323 on: January 20, 2020, 05:38:49 PM »
My complaint was about their shipping procedures. For instance, the Naxos Johann Strauss box was supposed to be delivered to my local Amazon Hub today. The most recent tracking update shows it at a NW Miami facility yesterday, no indication that they did anything to move it the final 5 or 6 miles today. (My guess is the holiday is involved, but that's jusr a guess).

Yeah, that's frustrating. It isn't just Amazon though. 2 weeks ago, I ordered 2 used disks from 2 different Amazon vendors. The one from Oregon showed up in my mailbox in 3 days. The one from Houston, TX, about 150 mi. south of me, took 9 days. Our local PO is supplied by North Houston Distribution Center. This packet went from there, to Dallas, sat for 3 days, then went to every little PO on the way down (200 mi.) before it finally ended up in the mailbox. Point being, the shipping/delivery companies can screw up all they want, the sender has little control over it. :-\

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« Reply #1324 on: January 20, 2020, 05:47:18 PM »
Yeah, that's frustrating. It isn't just Amazon though. 2 weeks ago, I ordered 2 used disks from 2 different Amazon vendors. The one from Oregon showed up in my mailbox in 3 days. The one from Houston, TX, about 150 mi. south of me, took 9 days. Our local PO is supplied by North Houston Distribution Center. This packet went from there, to Dallas, sat for 3 days, then went to every little PO on the way down (200 mi.) before it finally ended up in the mailbox. Point being, the shipping/delivery companies can screw up all they want, the sender has little control over it. :-\

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Quite true. But in this case Amazon is both vendor and shipper.

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« Reply #1325 on: January 20, 2020, 06:11:23 PM »
Yeah, that's frustrating. It isn't just Amazon though. 2 weeks ago, I ordered 2 used disks from 2 different Amazon vendors. The one from Oregon showed up in my mailbox in 3 days. The one from Houston, TX, about 150 mi. south of me, took 9 days. Our local PO is supplied by North Houston Distribution Center. This packet went from there, to Dallas, sat for 3 days, then went to every little PO on the way down (200 mi.) before it finally ended up in the mailbox. Point being, the shipping/delivery companies can screw up all they want, the sender has little control over it. :-\

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Did the vendor in the latter case send the item "media mail" to save money? Media mail is cheap, but given the lowest possible priority by the postal service.

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« Reply #1326 on: January 20, 2020, 06:14:46 PM »
Quite true. But in this case Amazon is both vendor and shipper.

Wrong on many levels. In the case of amazon marketplace amazon is neither the vendor or the shipper, it is a listing service. The marketplace seller is the vendor and the shipper (unless they choose to use amazon fulfillment). The problem Gurn report was the fault of neither the vendor nor the shipper, but of the courier service.

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« Reply #1327 on: January 20, 2020, 07:18:01 PM »
Wrong on many levels. In the case of amazon marketplace amazon is neither the vendor or the shipper, it is a listing service. The marketplace seller is the vendor and the shipper (unless they choose to use amazon fulfillment). The problem Gurn report was the fault of neither the vendor nor the shipper, but of the courier service.

Just to be clear. I was talking about my order, not Gurn's. I ordered this directly from Amazon US, not a Marketplace vendor, and it's shipped via Amazon's fulfillment service to an Amazon Hub location.  Meaning at least until it gets to the Hub locker, it's completely under Amazon control.

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« Reply #1328 on: January 20, 2020, 08:16:52 PM »
Did the vendor in the latter case send the item "media mail" to save money? Media mail is cheap, but given the lowest possible priority by the postal service.

No, both 1st class. And this is far from the only time this has happened to me, it's not a 'one-off', more like a 'twenty-one-off'. :-\

FWIW, even if it had shipped media mail, it went from the Houston PO to North Houston Dist Center anyway (that showed on the tracking trail): why turn around and send it to Dallas from there instead of to Lufkin like it should have done? Just that many more times they had to handle it.  ::)

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Re: On-line Stores & Sellers
« Reply #1329 on: January 20, 2020, 08:18:34 PM »
Just to be clear. I was talking about my order, not Gurn's. I ordered this directly from Amazon US, not a Marketplace vendor, and it's shipped via Amazon's fulfillment service to an Amazon Hub location.  Meaning at least until it gets to the Hub locker, it's completely under Amazon control.

Who do they use for that? If it had been coming here, it would have been UPS, but for a big metro area, was it someone else?  In any case, that's just wrong, clearly not getting what you paid for.

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« Reply #1330 on: January 20, 2020, 11:32:03 PM »
Wrong on many levels. In the case of amazon marketplace amazon is neither the vendor or the shipper, it is a listing service. The marketplace seller is the vendor and the shipper (unless they choose to use amazon fulfillment). The problem Gurn report was the fault of neither the vendor nor the shipper, but of the courier service.

Ooops, sorry for the misunderstanding, I thought you were referring to Gurn's situation. My personal experience with Amazon's own fulfillment service is much better. 99% of the time they meet their shipping estimate. Maybe 1/4 of the time it arrives earlier than promised.

Amazon shipping is weird. When they say it has "shipped" often that means they have started shuttling it around between different amazon warehouses, before it is dropped at a nearby post office at the last minute. They have a frighteningly efficient order fulfillment system.
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« Reply #1331 on: January 21, 2020, 02:55:25 AM »
Who of you have so much free time and so few CDs that a couple of weeks delay are a major issue? Not me for certain…..

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« Reply #1332 on: January 21, 2020, 11:53:25 AM »
I’ve been mostly buying used CDs from third party sellers on Amazon and they nearly always arrive before the estimate. It might help that the delivery office is in the next street :P.

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Re: On-line Stores & Sellers
« Reply #1333 on: January 21, 2020, 01:01:07 PM »
I picked up that Amazon order thus afternnom from the local Hub.
But two things I ordered from Rarewaves have not yet shown up, even though the normal interval for orders from them is past. (Still within the official promised dates.)

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« Reply #1334 on: January 29, 2020, 04:32:45 PM »
I picked up that Amazon order thus afternnom from the local Hub.
But two things I ordered from Rarewaves have not yet shown up, even though the normal interval for orders from them is past. (Still within the official promised dates.)
That's too bad. Rarewaves always beats my estimate by at least a couple days, and they're international for me. (Usually gets to me in 10 days or less, which is amazing for an international vendor). They also have amazing prices on everything, on eBay especially, they list many items lower than they have on Amazon.

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« Reply #1335 on: January 29, 2020, 07:45:40 PM »
That's too bad. Rarewaves always beats my estimate by at least a couple days, and they're international for me. (Usually gets to me in 10 days or less, which is amazing for an international vendor). They also have amazing prices on everything, on eBay especially, they list many items lower than they have on Amazon.

The Rarewaves orders got to me a few days after I posted that.  But my usual experience with them matches yours.

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« Reply #1336 on: January 30, 2020, 10:48:22 AM »
My experience is that when it comes to books, music and indeed electronics,  Amazon is rather good and often competitive.

Amazon prime is interesting because it provides some assurance about delivery timescales, I’m often prepared to pay a premium for that, though maybe less so for CDs than for other items.


Clearly amazon downloads and streaming is utter shit.


On the other hand, in my experience eBay customer service is impeccable, and I greatly value PayPal buyer protection. I feel totally confident about buying items for many thousands of pounds from eBay, I know that if there’s a problem PayPal will support me. Unfortunately PayPal is about to be replaced . . . I haven’t explored the buyer protection policies which will then be applied.

Both amazon and eBay seem infinitely superior to any physical store, easier and safer to deal with, and often better value for money. If I have a problem with an item in a bricks and mortar store I may have to take the store to court, which is boring and time consuming and incurs a cost and is uncertain (will the courts be able to recover?) . . . All that just doesn’t need to happen with PayPal.
 

This is what I found


One of the most legendary partnerships in the technical industry is coming to an end.

EBay announced today that it will stop working as PayPal as a back-end payment service in 2020 and move a small percentage of its payment volume to a new partner later this year.

Instead of PayPal, eBay has concluded a long-term agreement with Adyen, an Amsterdam-based payment company that was established in 2006 and has included companies such as Uber, Netflix and Spotify worldwide as its customer base.

The activities of Adyen are solely focused on offering back-end payment services, such as credit card processing, to companies, so that you do not see Adyen payment buttons appearing on eBay. But Adyen becomes the primary payment processor for eBay sites around the world.

After the existing eBay PayPal agreement expires in 2020, PayPal remains a payment option for shoppers on eBay, but it will not be prominently displayed before debit and credit card options as it is today. PayPal will stop processing card payments for eBay at that time.

PayPal's share fell by no less than 12 percent on the news in the after-market trade.

With eBay, the move is billed as a way to gain more control over the critical payment experience that other giant online shopping destinations such as Amazon and Alibaba have, while offering more payment options to eBay shoppers. Adyen supports more than 200 payment methods around the world, eBay said in a blog post announcing the news.

The move is also expected to add $ 2 billion in revenue to the eBay business, as the company will charge eBay sellers for the payment service; PayPal does that today.

That said, "most sellers can expect their payment processing costs to be reduced after they have switched to eBay's brokered payment model," eBay said in its announcement.

For Adyen, the eBay deal is a huge win for a company of its size; Adyen registered a net revenue of $ 178 million in 2016 compared to nearly $ 11 billion - yes, with a B - for PayPal.

You would then assume that there is a good chance that eBay will take a shareholding in Adyen in addition to the commercial agreement, so that it can take advantage of the benefit that this entails. For now, the company does not say whether that is the case. It is reasonable to wonder if Adyen had to make financial concessions to win the company from an eBay-sized platform.

Adyen is expected to apply for an IPO this year.

PayPal became eBay's premier payment provider in 2003, a few months after eBay took over the company in a deal worth $ 1.5 billion. The two companies split into separate public companies in July 2015 and signed a five-year operational agreement to maintain a close relationship until mid-2020.

Around the time the companies announced plans for the split in 2014, eBay accounted for more than 30 percent of PayPal's sales and more than 50 percent of profits, the combined company said at the time.

PayPal has tried to diversify its activities since the companies went their own way, but it does not disclose how many things come from eBay. Today, PayPal is worth $ 102 billion; eBay is valued at $ 42 billion.