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Quote from: Florestan on December 08, 2022, 01:00:35 PMWell, I admit my browsing was as a guest, not as a member. Perhaps as a member one can spot, and get in touch with, like-minded people easier.That being said, I stand by what I wrote above: my impression is that the average GMGer is more sophisticated and more catholic in taste than the average TCer.And now that I think of it, there are a few, but very vocal, TCers whose mission in life seems to be the disparaging of a particular composer. There is this guy, I don't remember his username otomh, who, no matter the topic at hand, always ended up by "proving", in lengthy posts with lots of YT videos, what a bad composer Schubert was; another who did the same with Mozart and yet another whose Nemesis was Rachmaninoff. TC is definitely not my thing.
Quote from: Kontrapunctus on January 31, 2023, 03:20:26 PMNo.41. A wonderful performance and the recording is excellent, too.
Quote from: Wanderer on January 31, 2023, 11:30:17 PMOr maybe they eventually open the political threads and are disgusted by the toxicity.
Quote from: Florestan on February 01, 2023, 12:52:06 AMEven if they do, that's not a good reason to leave the forum. Most members here stick to music threads and are perfectly fine with it. There must be something else at play.
Quote from: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 12:55:59 AMIn this medium, it's very hard to get an idea of what's going on in people's heads, what they're suffering. You have such a partial view of the whole human being. In real life people don't think and act rationally, and the same on a public form like this.
Quote from: premont on February 01, 2023, 01:11:19 AMPerhaps it is because misunderstandings arise more easily because we only have a limited knowledge of each other,
Quote from: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 01:14:14 AMThere's also these famous lines by Robbie Burns - I think a native English speaker can just make sense of them! O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie usTo see oursels as ithers see us!It wad frae mony a blunder free us,An' foolish notion:What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us,An' ev'n devotion!
Quote from: Florestan on February 01, 2023, 01:29:40 AMO would some Power the gift give usTo see ourselves as others see us!It would from many a blunder free us,And foolish notion:What airs in dress and gait would leave us,And even in devotion!
Quote from: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 01:14:14 AMWhen I did my masters in philosophy, it was part by examination, and I remember arguing that we know ourselves less well than others know us.
Quote from: premont on February 01, 2023, 02:18:43 AMThat was a bold claim. Perhaps it is true of unreflective individuals, but after all, others only know us based on what we say and the way we react in different situations, and a reflective individual will, in terms of these things, know himself better than others know him, just as you do become wiser about yourself over the years. And how we will react in extreme situations, no one knows anyway, neither ourselves nor others.
Quote from: Florestan on February 01, 2023, 01:29:40 AMLet's see if I got it right:O would some Power the gift give usTo see ourselves as others see us!It would from many a blunder free us,And foolish notion:What airs in dress and gait would leave us,And even in devotion!
Quote from: ultralinear on February 01, 2023, 03:05:59 AMNot necessarily. For example, you may think of yourself as a generous person, but the test of whether you are in fact a generous person consists in how you behave, which others may be in a better position to observe than you.
Quote from: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 03:15:06 AMIt was indeed a bold claim, made one summer's day in an exam room. I think my point was that it was practically very hard to overcome the illusions of self deception, and that, as we say in English -- actions speak louder than words. Our mental natures, who we are and what we are and most importantlym, what we mean, are external (or so I argued.)
Quote from: ultralinear on February 01, 2023, 03:55:07 AMExactly - you know yourself through awareness of the same observable behaviour that others see. That this takes reflectiveness implies that it may be easier for others than for oneself.
Quote from: premont on February 01, 2023, 03:55:19 AMCouldn't it be so that you get to know part of yourself by observing how you react in different situations?
Quote from: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 04:02:40 AMYes, I think my point would be that the external observer is at least as well placed as we are to make hypothesis about our mental life. In particular, we do not have privileged access to our own states of mind. It's a fundamentally anti- Cartesian position.
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