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Spotted Horses

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I wouldn't characterize TC as having a less sophisticated membership. There are those with eclectic interests and those who obsess about a narrow range of music, just like here. The main gripe I had about about TC is that it is subdivided into too many arbitrary sub boards and it is hard to find what you are interested in. When I look over there there are people I regret not interacting with any more, there are those I don miss at all, and those that are here too. Another principal difference is that TC has 2 or 3 times as much traffic as here, all hiding in those little cubbie hole threads.
There are simply two kinds of music, good music and the other kind. - Duke Ellington

k a rl h e nn i ng

Quote from: Florestan on December 08, 2022, 01:00:35 PMWell, I admit my browsing was as a guest, not as a member. Perhaps as a member one can spot, and get in touch with, like-minded people easier.

That being said, I stand by what I wrote above: my impression is that the average GMGer is more sophisticated and more catholic in taste than the average TCer.

And now that I think of it, there are a few, but very vocal, TCers whose mission in life seems to be the disparaging of a particular composer. There is this guy, I don't remember his username otomh, who, no matter the topic at hand, always ended up by "proving", in lengthy posts with lots of YT videos, what a bad composer Schubert was; another who did the same with Mozart and yet another whose Nemesis was Rachmaninoff.

TC is definitely not my thing.




Life's too short to be spent contesting determined philistines.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Symphonic Addict

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Quote from: Kontrapunctus on January 31, 2023, 03:20:26 PMNo.41. A wonderful performance and the recording is excellent, too.


I can't understand what happens to people like these who create an account and then suddenly delete it. And that's not the only one who has done it recently...
As we acquire knowledge, things do not become more comprehensible, but more mysterious.

Albert Schweitzer

Wanderer

Or maybe they eventually open the political threads and are disgusted by the toxicity.

Florestan

Quote from: Wanderer on January 31, 2023, 11:30:17 PMOr maybe they eventually open the political threads and are disgusted by the toxicity.

Even if they do, that's not a good reason to leave the forum. Most members here stick to music threads and are perfectly fine with it. There must be something else at play.
"Art is no excuse for boring people." - Jules Renard

"Melody is the essence of music." - Mozart

Mandryka

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Quote from: Florestan on Today at 12:52:06 AMEven if they do, that's not a good reason to leave the forum. Most members here stick to music threads and are perfectly fine with it. There must be something else at play.

In this medium, it's very hard to get an idea of  what's going on in people's heads, what they're suffering. You have such a partial view of the whole human being.  In real life people don't think and act rationally, and the same on a public form like this.
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Florestan

Quote from: Mandryka on Today at 12:55:59 AMIn this medium, it's very hard to get an idea of  what's going on in people's heads, what they're suffering. You have such a partial view of the whole human being.  In real life people don't think and act rationally, and the same on a public form like this.

True, but joining the forum one day and leaving it the next day is more irrational than usual irrational.  :D
"Art is no excuse for boring people." - Jules Renard

"Melody is the essence of music." - Mozart

premont

Perhaps it is because misunderstandings arise more easily because we only have a limited knowledge of each other, limited to what we want to share with the others. On the other hand, I think that GMG is one of the most friendly and welcoming forums of its kind - if you just exclude certain things in the diner board. After all, we are also a fairly large group that has stuck with GMG for many years.
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Mandryka

#4068
Quote from: premont on Today at 01:11:19 AMPerhaps it is because misunderstandings arise more easily because we only have a limited knowledge of each other,

When I did my masters in philosophy, it was part by examination, and I remember arguing that we know ourselves less well than others know us. I got the degree by the way.

γνῶθι σεαυτόν is one hell of a big ask!

There's also these famous lines by Robbie Burns - I think a native English speaker can just make sense of them!

O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion:
What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us,
An' ev'n devotion!
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Florestan

Quote from: Mandryka on Today at 01:14:14 AMThere's also these famous lines by Robbie Burns - I think a native English speaker can just make sense of them!

O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion:
What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us,
An' ev'n devotion!

Let's see if I got it right:

O would some Power the gift give us
To see ourselves as others see us!
It would from many a blunder free us,
And foolish notion:
What airs in dress and gait would leave us,
And even in devotion!
"Art is no excuse for boring people." - Jules Renard

"Melody is the essence of music." - Mozart

premont

Quote from: Florestan on Today at 01:29:40 AMO would some Power the gift give us
To see ourselves as others see us!
It would from many a blunder free us,
And foolish notion:
What airs in dress and gait would leave us,
And even in devotion!

Thanks.
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premont

Quote from: Mandryka on Today at 01:14:14 AMWhen I did my masters in philosophy, it was part by examination, and I remember arguing that we know ourselves less well than others know us.

That was a bold claim. Perhaps it is true of unreflective individuals, but after all, others only know us based on what we say and the way we react in different situations, and a reflective individual will, in terms of these things, know himself better than others know him, just as you do become wiser about yourself over the years. And how we will react in extreme situations, no one knows anyway, neither ourselves nor others.
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ultralinear

Quote from: premont on Today at 02:18:43 AMThat was a bold claim. Perhaps it is true of unreflective individuals, but after all, others only know us based on what we say and the way we react in different situations, and a reflective individual will, in terms of these things, know himself better than others know him, just as you do become wiser about yourself over the years. And how we will react in extreme situations, no one knows anyway, neither ourselves nor others.


Not necessarily.  For example, you may think of yourself as a generous person, but the test of whether you are in fact a generous person consists in how you behave, which others may be in a better position to observe than you.

Mandryka

#4073
Quote from: premont on Today at 02:18:43 AMThat was a bold claim. Perhaps it is true of unreflective individuals, but after all, others only know us based on what we say and the way we react in different situations, and a reflective individual will, in terms of these things, know himself better than others know him, just as you do become wiser about yourself over the years. And how we will react in extreme situations, no one knows anyway, neither ourselves nor others.

It was indeed a bold claim, made one summer's day in an exam room.  I think my point was that it was practically very hard to overcome the illusions of self deception, and that, as we say in English -- actions speak louder than words. Our mental natures, who we are and what we are and most importantlym, what we mean, are external (or so I argued.)

@ultralinear has the idea, I now see.
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Mandryka

Quote from: Florestan on Today at 01:29:40 AMLet's see if I got it right:

O would some Power the gift give us
To see ourselves as others see us!
It would from many a blunder free us,
And foolish notion:
What airs in dress and gait would leave us,
And even in devotion!
That's it. Now try saying it.


Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

premont

Quote from: ultralinear on Today at 03:05:59 AMNot necessarily.  For example, you may think of yourself as a generous person, but the test of whether you are in fact a generous person consists in how you behave, which others may be in a better position to observe than you.

Why should my idea of myself be wrong? I know very well that I'm not a particularly generous person because I'm well aware of how I behave - that's it.
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ultralinear

Quote from: premont on Today at 03:49:56 AMWhy should my idea of myself be wrong? I know very well that I'm not a particularly generous person because I'm well aware of how I behave - that's it.

Exactly - you know yourself through awareness of the same observable behaviour that others see.  That this takes reflectiveness implies that it may be easier for others than for oneself.


premont

#4077
Quote from: Mandryka on Today at 03:15:06 AMIt was indeed a bold claim, made one summer's day in an exam room.  I think my point was that it was practically very hard to overcome the illusions of self deception, and that, as we say in English -- actions speak louder than words. Our mental natures, who we are and what we are and most importantlym, what we mean, are external (or so I argued.)

Do you think we always are self deceiving? Couldn't it be so that you get to know only PART of yourself by observing how you react in different situations?


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premont

Quote from: ultralinear on Today at 03:55:07 AMExactly - you know yourself through awareness of the same observable behaviour that others see.  That this takes reflectiveness implies that it may be easier for others than for oneself.

But still I myself better know my motives for being how I am and how much I work with changing my behavior. Isn't this a part of me?
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Mandryka

Quote from: premont on Today at 03:55:19 AMCouldn't it be so that you get to know part of yourself by observing how you react in different situations?




Yes, I think my point would be that the external observer is at least as well placed as we are to make hypothesis about our mental life. In particular, we do not have privileged access to our own states of mind. It's a fundamentally anti- Cartesian position.
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen