I'm more a Polk man myself

[Herman]

This is simply not true.

Clearly you don't know the meaning of the word "revification".

I'll clue you in.

It doesn't mean anything.

So wouldn't you agree that Reagan had a big part in the revification?

[Herman]

He was also very good at bringing pride in America back, which was sorely lacking after Vietnam, Watergate, Iran hostage issue, etc. But he is merely one of many cogs at that time.

That doesn't mean anything. Hitler brought back pride too.

[mc ukrneal]

Clearly you don't know the meaning of the word "revification".

I'll clue you in.

It doesn't mean anything.

So wouldn't you agree that Reagan had a big part in the revification?

I assumed he meant revival. It seems to fit the context.

[mc ukrneal]

That doesn't mean anything. Hitler brought back pride too.

Ok. And?

[bwv 1080]

Ok. And?

the argumentum ad hitlerum trumps everything - nothing more to say

[Todd]

You know, it may be a lark to create a new thread that tracks the number of posts in politically oriented threads before one of the below fallback terms is used. 

In this thread it took 23 responses.

The List
1 - Hitler
2 - Stalin
3 - Mao
4 - Marx
5 - Socialism/Socialist
6 - Fascism/Fascist
7 - Laissez faire


Anything of note left off?

[snyprrr]

You know, it may be a lark to create a new thread that tracks the number of posts in politically oriented threads before one of the below fallback terms is used. 

In this thread it took 23 responses.

The List
1 - Hitler
2 - Stalin
3 - Mao
4 - Marx
5 - Socialism/Socialist
6 - Fascism/Fascist
7 - Laissez faire


Anything of note left off?

At this point in our history, if any discussion doesn't START with one of those, that's the one to watch out for!

[Coopmv]

Actually, three of the choices are totally bizarre. Why Truman? Why Jefferson? Why WHH?

Are you sure this isn't a joke?

By the way, although I love James K Polk, I'd go with Theodore.

Indeed, why no Teddy Roosevelt?  The only NYPD commissioner who ever became NYS governor then the president.  There is a certain Democrat bias in putting this list together. 

[Coopmv]

I just went to the poll (and voted), and FDR's now in the lead, 43% to Reagan's 36% (though if you don't vote, you don't see the most recent results!  You'd think Reagan's still in the lead).  The others are still in the same order, with 13%, 5%, and 2%.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-20127232/60-minutes-vanity-fair-poll-november-edition/?pageNum=7&tag=contentMain;contentBody

Not that I think the results of such a poll are of any importance at all.

Reagan and FDR were no doubt the two most important presidents of the 20th century.  I also think Teddy Roosevelt was very significant as a trust busting Republican president.

[mc ukrneal]

Indeed, why no Teddy Roosevelt?  The only NYPD commissioner who ever became NYS governor then the president.  There is a certain Democrat bias in putting this list together. 

Funny. I thought it was a clear Republican bias in that it seems to want to get Reagan to win. FDR is more likely to lose votes to Truman than Reagan is to Harrison (who was a Whig). 

[Brian]

Reagan and FDR were no doubt the two most important presidents of the 20th century.  I also think Teddy Roosevelt was very significant as a trust busting Republican president.

I for one "doubt" - I would put TR very much ahead of Reagan. For as much as Reagan had a hand in bringing the Cold War to a successful and mainly stable conclusion, TR achieved an extraordinary amount that is easy to forget about today: the National Park Service, the first incarnation of the FDA, new business reforms, and in foreign policy he negotiated an end to the Russo-Japanese War on his yacht (winning the Nobel Peace Prize for it) and narrowly avoided war with Germany in 1903, in a Cuba-blockade-style staredown between global powers which required his most fearsome "big stick" powers to pull off.

A lot of Theodore Roosevelt's presidential agenda was rejected at the time but came to pass later: he was a supporter of the vote for women, a proponent of federal income and estate taxes, and wanted to limit ways in which labor unions had to compensate businesses for strikes. These failings don't really prevent him from having been one of the two or three most powerful - that is, the most able to do things - presidents in American history.

[Coopmv]

I for one "doubt" - I would put TR very much ahead of Reagan. For as much as Reagan had a hand in bringing the Cold War to a successful and mainly stable conclusion, TR achieved an extraordinary amount that is easy to forget about today: the National Park Service, the first incarnation of the FDA, new business reforms, and in foreign policy he negotiated an end to the Russo-Japanese War on his yacht (winning the Nobel Peace Prize for it) and narrowly avoided war with Germany in 1903, in a Cuba-blockade-style staredown between global powers which required his most fearsome "big stick" powers to pull off.

A lot of Theodore Roosevelt's presidential agenda was rejected at the time but came to pass later: he was a supporter of the vote for women, a proponent of federal income and estate taxes, and wanted to limit ways in which labor unions had to compensate businesses for strikes. These failings don't really prevent him from having been one of the two or three most powerful - that is, the most able to do things - presidents in American history.

Here is some interesting anecdote on the Roosevelts.

Whenever a Republican governor moves into the governor's mansion in Albany NY, the portrait of Teddy goes up in the main room.  If a Democratic governor moves in, the portrait of FDR goes up.