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« Reply #1940 on: June 07, 2017, 02:40:35 PM »
I also confess to holding the unpopular opinion that Sibelius' 4th is among his least satisfying works (and always feel somewhat shamed by the commonly expressed opinion that it is his profoundest works). Sibelius is among my gods of music and his crowning achievement is the 6th symphony, I would say.

(It is a strange little world we have here where we can talk of a commonly expressed opinion about Sibelius 4. It is not as if, standing in line to pay for cotton balls at the pharmacy, I commonly hear customers arguing about the relative merits of Sibelius symphonies.)

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« Reply #1941 on: June 07, 2017, 02:46:39 PM »
So, Sibelius wrote a 4th symphony?
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« Reply #1942 on: June 07, 2017, 03:02:32 PM »
I also confess to holding the unpopular opinion that Sibelius' 4th is among his least satisfying works (and always feel somewhat shamed by the commonly expressed opinion that it is his profoundest works). Sibelius is among my gods of music and his crowning achievement is the 6th symphony, I would say.

My opinion isn't quite the opposite, but it's close enough: the Fourth is the best of Sibelius's symphonies, with the Seventh close behind, while the Sixth is a fascinating but flawed work that doesn't quite come together.
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« Reply #1943 on: June 07, 2017, 03:35:57 PM »
The Sixth is not only Sibelius's greatest symphony but also one of the bleakest, most uncompromising expressions of depression and isolation in the musical literature, like walking through an empty landscape long after the last living things have died. Listening to it makes me feel as though I've been crying for hours and will never stop.

The Fifth Symphony should not have had a second and third movement. The Seventh Symphony is overrated, apart from the last four notes. Those notes are as good as their reputation.

The end of the Fifth Symphony not only makes perfect sense but is the most satisfying possible way Sibelius could have ended the piece. This is largely because of the "swan theme" hidden in the internal voices of the 2nd, 3rd and 4th chords. (The incredible amount of space between those chords is essentially the extreme form of the progressive allargando that that "swan theme" has been undergoing. It would probably be easier to understand if the trumpets and horns were holding the notes of the swan theme during the silences, but that would not sound as good.)

Sibelius's best work overall is not any of the symphonies but rather the six Humoresques for violin and orchestra, particularly the first two. Also the two Serenades, particularly the second one.

Finlandia is actually quite good.

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« Reply #1944 on: June 07, 2017, 03:38:20 PM »
My opinion isn't quite the opposite, but it's close enough: the Fourth is the best of Sibelius's symphonies, with the Seventh close behind, while the Sixth is a fascinating but flawed work that doesn't quite come together.
I tend to agree.

I also like the second, if it is performed well, but there are a lot of bad recordings of the 2nd.

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« Reply #1945 on: June 08, 2017, 03:50:11 AM »
I also confess to holding the unpopular opinion that Sibelius' 4th is among his least satisfying works (and always feel somewhat shamed by the commonly expressed opinion that it is his profoundest works). Sibelius is among my gods of music and his crowning achievement is the 6th symphony, I would say.

85% of the time, the Sixth is my favorite Sibelius work, as well.
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« Reply #1946 on: June 08, 2017, 03:51:38 AM »
I also like the second, if it is performed well, but there are a lot of bad recordings of the 2nd.

It’s like that with popular works:  more people conduct/perform it, than can conduct/perform it well.
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« Reply #1947 on: June 08, 2017, 05:34:11 AM »
I love the 4th and the 6th, so all of you splitting into opposing camps can just stop ruining my life, please.
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« Reply #1948 on: June 08, 2017, 05:51:58 AM »
I love them all too, but the 3rd deserves more attention.
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« Reply #1949 on: June 08, 2017, 06:12:21 AM »
I love them all too, but the 3rd deserves more attention.

Agree fully about the 3rd. Maazel's Pittsburgh recording was a revelation for me.

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« Reply #1950 on: June 08, 2017, 06:46:37 AM »
I love the 4th and the 6th, so all of you splitting into opposing camps can just stop ruining my life, please.

Sibelius was a tidy man who gave careful thought for his admirers and how to simplify their lives. Thus he carefully ranked his symphonies, ensuring that in terms of merit, 1<2<3<4<5<6<7.  Unable to extend this string he retired.
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« Reply #1951 on: June 08, 2017, 06:55:40 AM »
I love them all too, but the 3rd deserves more attention.

Aye.  ørfeo, you mustn’t mistake my participation as signing on at all to the (horribly misguided 8) ) disapproval of the a minor symphony!
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« Reply #1952 on: June 08, 2017, 09:28:36 AM »
Unpopular opinion of the day:

Humans are fucking stupid scum.

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« Reply #1953 on: June 08, 2017, 09:54:33 AM »
Unpopular opinion of the day:

Humans are fucking stupid scum.
Sadly a popular opinion. Amongst wankers, poseurs, and other self-aggrandizers.
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« Reply #1954 on: June 09, 2017, 05:57:06 AM »
Frantic fugue, fierce finale: feeling Fire fucking Freya.

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« Reply #1955 on: June 09, 2017, 09:05:51 AM »
Facts matter.
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« Reply #1956 on: June 09, 2017, 09:08:44 AM »
Unpopular opinion of the day:

Humans Politicians (especially of the brit variety) are fucking stupid scum.

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« Reply #1957 on: June 10, 2017, 08:26:46 AM »
Adam West was the best Batman of the lot.
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« Reply #1958 on: June 10, 2017, 12:26:43 PM »
Adam West was the best Batman of the lot.

That may need to be moved to the Popular Opinions thread.

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« Reply #1959 on: June 10, 2017, 12:46:58 PM »
UO 1: Most comic books and movies based on comic books are infantile, ridiculous and not worth the time.
UO 2: It is surprising that even among cultured adults [i.e. people who can and regularly do read books without pictures] UO 1 really seems to be an UO.
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