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DavidRoss

Quote from: Chaszz on November 11, 2011, 08:58:08 PM
Hemingway is a great writer so unappealing in character and personality that I decline to even try him.
Guess you've never heard Wagner's music, either.
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DavidRoss

Quote from: 71 dB on November 12, 2011, 05:11:58 AM
Is there a musical reason too why many listen to Lady Gaga much more than to Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven ?
Perhaps.  Let's see if they're still listening to Gaga 200 years from now.
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Josquin des Prez

Quote from: 71 dB on November 12, 2011, 05:39:58 AM
How about considering the possibility that Vanhal, Dittersdorf and Hofmann are almost as good as Haydn but much less listened because most people into classical music are that ignorant?

Its an illogical position. Those who listens to Haydn are the ones who do not listen to Lady Gaga, that is, the intelligent and knowledgeable ones. We would expect such individuals to be of a more discerning kind even within the confines of their own exclusive interests.

DavidRoss

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on November 12, 2011, 05:39:26 AM
Anybody who claims to be either intelligent and informed and still listens to Lady Gaga obviously does not really posses either quality.
How could you be informed regarding Gaga's music if you hadn't listened to it? And who but the unintelligent would form an opinion regarding music he hadn't heard?
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"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

71 dB

Quote from: James on November 12, 2011, 05:41:35 AM
Yea because intelligence and being informed is merely & totally based on what music someone listens-to of course. You're a retard.

I don't agree. JdP has a point here. Intelligence and being informed gives ability to recognize artistic quality (or lack of it). Lady Gaga is an easy case since it is commercially calculated junk so shamelessly clearly.
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Brian

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on November 12, 2011, 05:39:26 AM
Anybody who claims to be either intelligent and informed and still listens to Lady Gaga obviously does not really posses either quality.

Lady Gaga is, in fact, a very clever woman whose best songs (which are still the early ones, esp. "Bad Romance") show an unbeatable understanding of how to hook an audience. They're catchy, tuneful, they avoid most of the drearily dull chord progressions of modern pop, and the lyrics are comprehensible. I still think Winehouse and Adele are more interesting as artists, but the fact remains that Gaga is not junk any more than, say, Johann Strauss was junk.

Which reminds me of another of my unpopular opinions:

Johann Strauss Jr. was a genius.

71 dB

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on November 12, 2011, 05:44:53 AM
Its an illogical position. Those who listens to Haydn are the ones who do not listen to Lady Gaga, that is, the intelligent and knowledgeable ones. We would expect such individuals to be of a more discerning kind even within the confines of their own exclusive interests.

Those who listen to Lady Gaga are dumb and ignorant as you said.
Those who listen to Haydn are not dumb but maybe somewhat ignorant.
Those who listen to Haydn and Dittersdorf are neither dumb nor ignorant.
Spatial distortion is a serious problem deteriorating headphone listening.
Crossfeeders reduce spatial distortion and make the sound more natural
and less tiresome in headphone listening.

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knight66

There is a difference between 'hearing' and 'listening'. I am not convinced that some here have grasped that.

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DavidRoss

Why do you visit GMG?

Because it's one of the most consistently entertaining sites on the Web.
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

DavidRoss

Quote from: knight66 on November 12, 2011, 05:57:47 AM
There is a difference between 'hearing' and 'listening'. I am not convinced that some here have grasped that.
Listening = hearing attentively?
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

zauberflöte

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on November 12, 2011, 05:39:26 AM
Anybody who claims to be either intelligent and informed and still listens to Lady Gaga obviously does not really posses either quality.

I enjoy listening to Lady Gaga, also to Josquin des Prez, the real one, not the pretentious, condescending prig pretending to be him on these boards.

knight66

Quote from: DavidRoss on November 12, 2011, 05:59:59 AM
Listening = hearing attentively?

Yes indeed.

BTW, though I really do not like Lady Gaga's music, she is certainly highly intelligent and creative.

Mike
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I wasted time: and time wasted me.

71 dB

Quote from: Brian on November 12, 2011, 05:52:53 AM
Lady Gaga is, in fact, a very clever woman

You mean her manager is very clever? They are all clever and rich. We haven't talked about Lady Gaga's ability to do business.

Quote from: Brian on November 12, 2011, 05:52:53 AMwhose best songs (which are still the early ones, esp. "Bad Romance") show an unbeatable understanding of how to hook an audience.

I think I have heard newer songs which are simply horrible. Britney Spears sounds very good in comparison.  ???

Quote from: Brian on November 12, 2011, 05:52:53 AMThey're catchy, tuneful, they avoid most of the drearily dull chord progressions of modern pop, and the lyrics are comprehensible. I still think Winehouse and Adele are more interesting as artists, but the fact remains that Gaga is not junk any more than, say, Johann Strauss was junk.

Adele is a decent artist. Not that interesting but an artist I can approve.
Spatial distortion is a serious problem deteriorating headphone listening.
Crossfeeders reduce spatial distortion and make the sound more natural
and less tiresome in headphone listening.

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knight66

If you hear and watch Gaga being interviewd by a hald decent interviewer, you will grasp she is highly intelligent. That is not the same thing as claiming she is a sharp business woman.

Mike
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I wasted time: and time wasted me.

mszczuj

#74
Quote from: Szykneij on November 12, 2011, 05:14:39 AM
I own a Zamfir CD. I like it.

Is it romanian folklore Zamfir or golden hits Zamfir?

Szykneij

Men profess to be lovers of music, but for the most part they give no evidence in their opinions and lives that they have heard it.  ~ Henry David Thoreau

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Chaszz

Quote from: DavidRoss on November 12, 2011, 05:42:10 AM
Guess you've never heard Wagner's music, either.

The difference is that I happened to hear Wagner's music before I knew anything about his personality. At that point, there was no going back. 

DavidRoss

Quote from: Chaszz on November 12, 2011, 06:31:10 AM
The difference is that I happened to hear Wagner's music before I knew anything about his personality. At that point, there was no going back. 
Good thing you never read any of the Nick Adams stories!
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

Superhorn

   Chamber music is NOT more interesting than orchestral music.  Both have so many interesting works. 
   With chamber music, you can't get the enormous coloristic variety of orchestral . 

Superhorn

   Chopin's  works are music of  swooning salonish sentimentality,  perfumed  preciosity and  pallid prettiness . 
   Sorry about the alliteration, but I'm a  Wagnerian , and Wagnerians love alliteration .