Unpopular Opinions

[Jo498]

I am not sure I have ever heard a concerto recording with Ma, but I am not much into cello concerti.
I have a bunch of chamber music recordings with Ma participating that I'd regard top 3 with the caveat that I have not heard more than 3 recordings of the Chopin pieces. Namely, Chopin's Trio and Cello sonata with Ax and Frank, Schubert's G major quartet led by Kremer and, probably the most impressive of them, Mozart's Trio divertimento, also with Kremer and Kashkashian.

[Madiel]

If there are 12 'London' symphonies from 2 different trips to London, there ought to be 9 'Paris' symphonies from 2 different commissions.

[Jo498]

Probably the Oxford university played some dirty tricks here to keep their symphony...

If mozart's #36 is called "Linz" and 38 "Prague" and a bunch of early ones "Salzburg", 39-41 should be called "Vienna".

[Madiel]

Probably the Oxford university played some dirty tricks here to keep their symphony...

Or it's just that, as is still usual, English-speakers think it's all about them.

[MusicTurner]

Time for a democratization in such titling matters, for sure.

There's a 'Liverpool Oratorio', but no Croydon, s'-Hertogenbosch, or Nyiregyhaza stuff ..

[Jo498]

Years ago someone suggested in another forum to call Haydn's 88-92 "La Manche" or "The Channel" because they are between Paris and London, but I'd be also in favor of "Paris II"

[Brian]

Years ago someone suggested in another forum to call Haydn's 88-92 "La Manche" or "The Channel" because they are between Paris and London, but I'd be also in favor of "Paris II"

88 is a good example of a Haydn symphony that needs a nickname because it would be much more popular if it had one. Haydn symphonies are unfair in that way.

[Jo498]

88 is probably the most popular Haydn symphony without a nickname (102 another, but of course this is a "London" symphony even while lacking an individual nickname). It was already quite well known in the early 20th century.

[Madiel]

Years ago someone suggested in another forum to call Haydn's 88-92 "La Manche" or "The Channel" because they are between Paris and London, but I'd be also in favor of "Paris II"

88 and 89 weren't written for Paris. "Paris II" is appropriate for 90-92.

[Jo498]

They might not have been written explicitly for Paris but there is a Paris connection for 88+89 as well. Supposedly Tost travelled to Paris in 1788 with these symphonies and the quartets op.54/55 to sell them to the Paris editor Siebert. It's not exactly clear to me from (German) wikipedia what Tost did, he might have ripped off Haydn or the editor or both and might have sold the symphonies to Artaria in Wien as well where they appeared first.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/88._Sinfonie_(Haydn)

[Madiel]

Ah yes, I did know the Tost connection but had forgotten where he wandered off to.

[Carxofes fregides]

Chopin's Ballade No. 1 should absolutely be called the Stockhausen Ballade.

[Brahmsian]

The 2nd movement of Schumann's "Rhenish" symphony sounds like it was written for a John Wayne western movie. I could never stomach that particular movement, even though I do love that symphony overall.

[ritter]

René Leibowitz kinda had a point concering Sibelius...

[Sergeant Rock]

The 2nd movement of Schumann's "Rhenish" symphony sounds like it was written for a John Wayne western movie. I could never stomach that particular movement, even though I do love that symphony overall.

I live a kilometer from the Rhine and every time I walk the shoreline or cross the bridge over the river, Schumann's theme pops into my head. I love it. I never associated the theme with a Hollywood western though. But now that you mention it, it actually does sound a bit like one. That's not a negative connotation to me 

Sarge

[Sergeant Rock]

René Leibowitz kinda had a point concering Sibelius...

       RITTER

[Brahmsian]

I live a kilometer from the Rhine and every time I walk the shoreline or cross the bridge over the river, Schumann's theme pops into my head. I love it. I never associated the theme with a Hollywood western though. But now that you mention it, it actually does sound a bit like one. That's not a negative connotation to me 

Sarge

Thank you for sparing me the machine gun. 

[Jo498]

I live a kilometer from the Rhine and every time I walk the shoreline or cross the bridge over the river, Schumann's theme pops into my head. I love it. I never associated the theme with a Hollywood western though. But now that you mention it, it actually does sound a bit like one. That's not a negative connotation to me 

The second movement is supposed to be a rural dance or so, representing Rhenish cheerfulness. If anything, I'd say that some passages in the more heroic first movement are fit for a western. But there is other classical music much closer, e.g. the last movement from Hindemith's metamorphoses (basically the cavalry coming in...) or quite a bit in the finale of Tchaikovsky's 5th, even parts of the finale of Brahms 3rd would be better candidates for me. (It's not a negative for me either.)

[Florestan]

René Leibowitz kinda had a point concering Sibelius...

Well, about a century after he made his point Sibelius' music is as popular as ever with both audiences and musicians, major conductors, major orchestras and major performers playing his music in major venues or recording it for major labels, while Leibowitz's own music is an absolute non-entity in both concert repertoires and recording catalogues. 

[Symphonic Addict]

       RITTER

Well, about a century after he made his point Sibelius' music is as popular as ever with both audiences and musicians, major conductors, major orchestras and major performers playing his music in major venues or recording it for major labels, while Leibowitz's own music is an absolute non-entity in both concert repertoires and recording catalogues. 

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