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« Reply #2840 on: January 13, 2021, 04:00:02 AM »
Wagner’s Siegfried is a bum numbing bore.

It may be an equally or greater unpopular opinion that Siegfried has always been my favourite of The Ring.  :D
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« Reply #2841 on: January 13, 2021, 04:28:10 AM »
Biffo, I think it is horses for courses for Parsifal, you may make more headway with Karajan than with Solti. Some think Karajan erred on the side of prioritising tonal beauty, but I enjoy the performance a lot. My first choice is Kubelik, but I am not suggesting yet a third set to you when you have two.

If you have Streaming, then Abbado produced a Wagner disc which had about half an hour of Parsifal in a suite, just the orchestra, it might be a way into listening to more of it. The first time I heard it it really made me sit up. It avoids the bleeding chunks category. It also has some Tannhauser and Tristan on it.

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Thanks for your response. I am a great admirer of Kubelik but don't think I will risk another complete recording until I have tried Karajan and I need to be in the right frame of mind for the complete work.

I have a disc of Kempe conducting the Vienna Philharmonic in the Prelude and Good Friday Music - it is absolutely ravishing. I also have the Abbado disc you mentioned  but haven't heard it for a while - possibly time to revisit both discs.

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« Reply #2842 on: January 13, 2021, 04:42:11 AM »
Thanks for your response. I am a great admirer of Kubelik but don't think I will risk another complete recording until I have tried Karajan and I need to be in the right frame of mind for the complete work.

I have a disc of Kempe conducting the Vienna Philharmonic in the Prelude and Good Friday Music - it is absolutely ravishing. I also have the Abbado disc you mentioned  but haven't heard it for a while - possibly time to revisit both discs.

Listening to bits and then expanding that to scenes or acts was how I got into some of Wagner!s work. As a method it words ok for Opera, but it has never occurred to me to listen to one movement of a Mahler or Bruckner Symphony. I swallowed them whole. I hope you enjoy the Abbado.

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« Reply #2843 on: January 13, 2021, 06:15:28 AM »
While I have some exceptions, I am satisfied with one recording of a work.

Time on this earth and money (but mostly time) are also factors.

If your collection is so large that you cannot listen to all the recordings within a year (not to mention repeated listening) I feel it is too much music.
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« Reply #2844 on: January 13, 2021, 03:00:56 PM »
While I have some exceptions, I am satisfied with one recording of a work.

Time on this earth and money (but mostly time) are also factors.

If your collection is so large that you cannot listen to all the recordings within a year (not to mention repeated listening) I feel it is too much music.

The popularity of this opinion on GMG might not be representative of the wider public.  :laugh:
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« Reply #2845 on: January 13, 2021, 03:25:17 PM »
"Blue Rondo à la Turk" is a more gripping and more interesting piece than "Take Five" (I am not really a Jazz person, so maybe this is not even unpopular)
The live "Take Five" performances are all better than the studio one, which was recorded when they were still lacking the needed confidence and swagger to play it with more feeling.

I also like Time Further Out, as an album, more than Time Out.

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« Reply #2846 on: January 14, 2021, 01:52:54 AM »
While I have some exceptions, I am satisfied with one recording of a work.

Time on this earth and money (but mostly time) are also factors.

If your collection is so large that you cannot listen to all the recordings within a year (not to mention repeated listening) I feel it is too much music.
Very reasonable.
I'd argue that as long as it is theoretically possible to play all recordings within one year (i.e. playing time < 8760 hours) it's o.k. :D
It's cheating of course because one has to sleep, but even 16 hours/day gives almost 6000 hours (corresponding to roughly 6000 CDs, I think I am still a little bit below that). Admittedly a more realistic value for listening is probably 20 discs per week (2 each workday and 10 on the weekend and holidays), giving around 1000 discs.
I once estimated that around 1000 discs would be the minimum for me if I wanted to own all the music important to me. Of course this was before the age of streaming and youtube. (But I think this is also cheating a bit. One cannot simply assume that these options will always be possible, we only needed a historically small relapse to the technical infrastructure of 25 year ago to render youtube and streaming almost impossible.)


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« Reply #2847 on: January 14, 2021, 10:41:49 AM »
I've always liked both Siegfried and Parsifal but out of Siegfried's 3 acts I actually like the 3rd act least - which must also be unpopular opinion.

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« Reply #2848 on: January 14, 2021, 10:45:06 AM »
I've always liked both Siegfried and Parsifal but out of Siegfried's 3 acts I actually like the 3rd act least - which must also be unpopular opinion.

Even though I like Siegfried, I do like act 3 the least, similar to you. I like the 2nd act the most.
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« Reply #2849 on: January 14, 2021, 11:00:55 AM »
I like the 2nd act the most.

Same here.  :D

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« Reply #2850 on: January 14, 2021, 12:04:08 PM »
I had to go check, because I’ve only seen the Ring cycle once.

But Siegfried and Brunnhilde singing love at each other bored me witless.
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« Reply #2851 on: January 14, 2021, 12:11:00 PM »
I had to go check, because I’ve only seen the Ring cycle once.

But Siegfried and Brunnhilde singing love at each other bored me witless.

Time to loop in:

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« Reply #2852 on: January 14, 2021, 12:16:40 PM »
I had to go check, because I’ve only seen the Ring cycle once.

But Siegfried and Brunnhilde singing love at each other bored me witless.

Wagner is THE most overrated bore in the whole history of Western music.

Hier stehe ich. Ich kann nicht anders.
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« Reply #2853 on: January 14, 2021, 12:26:29 PM »
Wagner is THE most overrated bore in the whole history of Western music.

Hier stehe ich. Ich kann nicht anders.

All in all, I don't think this qualifies as an "unpopular opinion"  8)
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« Reply #2854 on: January 16, 2021, 11:28:01 AM »
Wagner is THE most overrated bore in the whole history of Western music.

 ???
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« Reply #2855 on: January 16, 2021, 05:01:11 PM »
There should be more recordings of Renaissance & early Baroque music on modern piano.

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« Reply #2856 on: January 17, 2021, 02:31:00 AM »
There should be more recordings of Renaissance & early Baroque music on modern piano.

Very much so, cf. for example Pienaar playing Gibbons ... there'd be many options for a creative approach in such works.
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« Reply #2857 on: January 19, 2021, 07:19:53 AM »
The A major second string quartet has become my current favourite of Shostakovich's string quartets.
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