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DavidRoss

Quote from: karlhenning on November 16, 2011, 01:57:40 PM
Great Treacle Pudding Video Games!
Great Treacle Pudding vs. the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

Superhorn

  Listening to the cloyingly sentimental and monotonously languorous music of Delius is like being forced to consume a giant bowl of treacle !

Elgarian

Quote from: DavidRoss on November 16, 2011, 02:59:16 PM
Great Treacle Pudding vs. the Flying Spaghetti Monster!

A nail-biter. Too close to call, one might think. But remember that revenge, like treacle, is sweet.

Luke

Quote from: Elgarian on November 17, 2011, 12:21:14 AM
A nail-biter. Too close to call, one might think. But remember that revenge, like treacle, is sweet.

But is treacle, like revenge, best served cold? A conundrum for the ages...

Karl Henning

My opnion that treacle should be served cold might just prove unpopular.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Elgarian

Quote from: karlhenning on November 17, 2011, 11:39:49 AM
My opnion that treacle should be served cold might just prove unpopular.

How neatly the thread is brought back on target. Nicely done Karl and Luke. (Karl kicked the ball through the net, but Luke set it up.)

Karl Henning

Couldn't have done it without Luke's assist.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Elgarian

Guys, we did good today.
Come. Let us all share in the Smugness.

chasmaniac

Quote from: Elgarian on November 17, 2011, 12:00:36 PM
Guys, we did good today.
Come. Let us all share in the Smugness.

I'm getting a tan from its reflection!  ;D
If I have exhausted the justifications, I have reached bedrock and my spade is turned. Then I am inclined to say: "This is simply what I do."  --Wittgenstein, PI §217

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

DavidRoss

While basking in the warm glow of well-deserved smugness, our merry band of GMGers suddenly found their opinions inexplicably popular!


"No treacle pudding for you!"
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

The Six

QuoteIt may be underrated, but that's still a completely different statement to the first one you made.

Well I made two statements, then.

It's a good idea to break up movements in concerts. Mix and match them, and the performers and audience will get a chance to hear them differently. Of course it wouldn't work for everything, but why not make a "found" symphony made up of movements from multiple ones?

The Six

#272
Quote from: toucan on November 17, 2011, 06:49:10 PM
If this is not an unpopular opinion then it certainly ought to be.
"why not make..."?  Because good conductors remain true to a composer's intention, as expressed by means of notes.
The differing ways each conductors understand these intentions is all the chance we require and need,

We don't even require or need that. None of this is a necessity. It's just a different way of looking at music. I would not agree that remaining true to the composer's intentional, whatever that is, is a requirement for a conductor to be good. Once the music's written, it belongs to no one and everyone (copyright notwithstanding).

The Six


chasmaniac

Quote from: The Six on November 17, 2011, 06:03:16 PM
It's a good idea to break up movements in concerts. Mix and match them, and the performers and audience will get a chance to hear them differently. Of course it wouldn't work for everything, but why not make a "found" symphony made up of movements from multiple ones?

Van Nevel worked 5 of Agricola's mass movements into the Missa Guazzabuglio here:

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Don't know how a paying audience would take it, but folks have been mixing and matching for their own purposes for as long as there has been a home recording medium in which to do it.
If I have exhausted the justifications, I have reached bedrock and my spade is turned. Then I am inclined to say: "This is simply what I do."  --Wittgenstein, PI §217

starrynight

Quote from: The Six on November 17, 2011, 06:56:54 PMOnce the music's written, it belongs to no one and everyone

Music can be reworked though it should not then be solely credited to the original composer as it would not reflect exactly what they intended.  It would be more like a new composition.  And reworking of any type of music if done successfully is done in a creative way and not just randomly.

DavidRoss

Led Zeppelin peaked with their second album.
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: DavidRoss on November 18, 2011, 07:22:54 PM
Led Zeppelin peaked with their second album.

That's always been my position  8)


Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

jowcol

Quote from: DavidRoss on November 18, 2011, 07:22:54 PM
Led Zeppelin peaked with their second album.

I would say they peaked with their first-- but I'm not a big Zep-head.
"If it sounds good, it is good."
Duke Ellington