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Florestan

If I got started...

Having heard last Friday live Brahms' First Symphony I was only confirmed in my long held opinion: apart from the Scherzo (only, without the Trio) and that melody in the finale, it is a formless and completely forgettable aborted foetus.  ;D
There is no theory. You have only to listen. Pleasure is the law. — Claude Debussy

Florestan

Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevna Pettersson on December 05, 2011, 07:23:41 AM
I think GMGer Nav has never actually reached the end of the piece yet ;D I am sympathetic to the view.

Well, you two are of the same lot: he is a Bach guy and you're a Bax girl. :)
There is no theory. You have only to listen. Pleasure is the law. — Claude Debussy

Lethevich

Quote from: Florestan on December 05, 2011, 07:28:00 AM
Well, you two are of the same lot: he is a Bach guy and you're a Bax girl. :)

And beyond all reasonable coincidence, Bach in Russian is Бах ;D
Peanut butter, flour and sugar do not make cookies. They make FIRE.

Florestan

Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevna Pettersson on December 05, 2011, 07:31:05 AM
And beyond all reasonable coincidence, Bach in Russian is Бах ;D

Kонечно.  :D
There is no theory. You have only to listen. Pleasure is the law. — Claude Debussy

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Velimir on December 05, 2011, 06:53:41 AM
Maybe. But I was a "contemporary teenager" in the 1980s, and if I grew out of it, anyone can  :)

Thank god I've never grown up  8)  Mahler is even more important to me today than he was when I first heard him at age 17.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Florestan

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on December 05, 2011, 07:39:50 AM
Thank god I've never grown up  8)  Mahler is even more important to me today than he was when I first heard him at age 17.

Sarge

Q. E. D.   :D ;D :D
There is no theory. You have only to listen. Pleasure is the law. — Claude Debussy

Mirror Image

I'm starting to become incredibly disenchanted with living composers, although there are a few whose music I enjoy. I think Baroque music, in general, is better for dinner parties or restaurants than for serious listening. I think the Classical Era produced some of the most downright garbage of any period with Mozart leading the pack.

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Florestan on December 05, 2011, 07:18:49 AM
Whoever said it is?

Me! Start with the first note, add the last...and include everything in between. Throw them all out. Now there you have a great symphony! Shostakovich's own 4'33....only much longer  ;D

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Florestan

Quote from: Mirror Image on December 05, 2011, 07:43:29 AM
I think Baroque music, in general, is better for dinner parties or restaurants than for serious listening. I think the Classical Era produced some of the most downright garbage of any period with Mozart leading the pack.

Easily the best post in the spirit of this thread...
There is no theory. You have only to listen. Pleasure is the law. — Claude Debussy

Florestan

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on December 05, 2011, 07:44:41 AM
Me! Start with the first note, add the last...and include everything in between. Throw them all out. Now there you have a great symphony! Shostakovich's own 4'33....only much longer  ;D

I like Shostakovich but, after all, I could live perfectly happy without ever hearing a single note of his anymore. OTOH, how about your life without Mahler?  ;D
There is no theory. You have only to listen. Pleasure is the law. — Claude Debussy

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Florestan on December 05, 2011, 07:50:37 AM
I like Shostakovich but, after all, I could live perfectly happy without ever hearing a single note of his anymore. OTOH, how about your life without Mahler?  ;D

Life is unthinkable without Mahler. There. I'm finally on topic  :D

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Opus106

Quote from: Mirror Image on December 05, 2011, 07:43:29 AM
I think Baroque music, in general, is better for dinner parties or restaurants than for serious listening. I think the Classical Era produced some of the most downright garbage of any period with Mozart leading the pack.

This is not the misguided ramblings thread, MI. :P

Regards,
Navneeth

Florestan

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on December 05, 2011, 07:53:23 AM
Life is unthinkable without Mahler. There. I'm finally on topic  :D

:D :D :D

Excellent, Sarge! You rock as usual, my hat off to you!

There is no theory. You have only to listen. Pleasure is the law. — Claude Debussy

Mirror Image


Mirror Image

Q: What's the difference between Mahler and Janet Reno?

A: Nothing, they're both psychotic, delusional windbags.

TheGSMoeller

Quote from: Mirror Image on December 05, 2011, 07:43:29 AM
I think Baroque music, in general, is better for dinner parties or restaurants than for serious listening.


I would frequent that restaurant, "Table for One, Please!"  :P  ;D

madaboutmahler

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on December 05, 2011, 07:39:50 AM
Thank god I've never grown up  8)  Mahler is even more important to me today than he was when I first heard him at age 17.

Sarge

I wonder what I will be like then....

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on December 05, 2011, 07:53:23 AM
Life is unthinkable without Mahler. There. I'm finally on topic  :D

Sarge

Completely true! Couldn't agree more!

Quote from: Mirror Image on December 05, 2011, 07:59:27 AM
Q: What's the difference between Mahler and Janet Reno?

A: Nothing, they're both psychotic, delusional windbags.

I'm going to go and find a picture of you now to attach to my Mahler hammer when I play it tonight.
"Music is ... A higher revelation than all Wisdom & Philosophy"
— Ludwig van Beethoven

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: madaboutmahler on December 05, 2011, 08:19:12 AM
I wonder what I will be like then....

Do you mean 17...or 62?  :)

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

madaboutmahler

Quote from: karlhenning on December 05, 2011, 07:03:25 AM
Apart from the Violin Concerto, I cannot bear a note of Glazunov.

How?! Do you not know the 4th symphony?!

Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevna Pettersson on December 05, 2011, 06:34:55 AM
Sibelius is nearly as overrated as Mahler

:o
Mahler could NEVER be overrated.  >:(

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on December 05, 2011, 08:22:14 AM
Do you mean 17...or 62?  :)

Sarge

62 ;) I will have probably formed my own international Mahler society! :D
"Music is ... A higher revelation than all Wisdom & Philosophy"
— Ludwig van Beethoven

Lisztianwagner

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on December 05, 2011, 07:53:23 AM
Life is unthinkable without Mahler.

I totally agree :)

But I think a lifetime without Wagner would be worse for me........
"Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire." - Gustav Mahler