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Dancing Divertimentian

Quote from: orfeo on September 19, 2012, 07:39:11 PM
Clearly, either every dictionary I can lay my hands on that has a definition of the word "opinion" has dropped through a wormhole, or this board is accessible in other dimensions.  Either way, the theoretical physicists will be thrilled.

Dude, is it really necessary to spell it out for you as if this were kindergarden?



Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

Mirror Image

It doesn't matter to me if somebody doesn't like a composer I enjoy. I've learned to quit fighting it and just accept that their music isn't for them. Sometimes it takes months and even years to understand and appreciate a composer. That said, while I did express my dislike for Mozart and Beethoven, I could never talk bad about my favorite Classical Era composer: JOSEPH HAYDN (AKA The Grand Master).

John Copeland

Quote from: orfeo on September 19, 2012, 07:39:11 PM
Clearly, either every dictionary I can lay my hands on that has a definition of the word "opinion" has dropped through a wormhole, or this board is accessible in other dimensions.  Either way, the theoretical physicists will be thrilled.

NASA have already got their hands on it and are going to send it on the next mars mission.   :P

Dancing Divertimentian

Quote from: Mirror Image on September 19, 2012, 09:09:24 PM
It doesn't matter to me if somebody doesn't like a composer I enjoy. I've learned to quit fighting it and just accept that their music isn't for them.

I feel exactly the same way. I don't give a hang about anyone else's preferences. But sometimes just the wrong phrase will push my buttons and I can't help but sound off.

I have my own list of composers/musicians who do zero for me but I'm just not interested in making a scene about it. Maybe I should...

Anyway, the poster with whom I had issue with has already cleared the air and I appreciated it (even though I didn't comment on it).

But now it seems a ghost poster has arrived to unearth the argument once again (oops, no punning intended). Oh, well...


Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

Mirror Image

Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on September 19, 2012, 10:15:55 PM
I feel exactly the same way. I don't give a hang about anyone else's preferences. But sometimes just the wrong phrase will push my buttons and I can't help but sound off.

I have my own list of composers/musicians who do zero for me but I'm just not interested in making a scene about it. Maybe I should...

Anyway, the poster with whom I had issue with has already cleared the air and I appreciated it (even though I didn't comment on it).

But now it seems a ghost poster has arrived to unearth the argument once again (oops, no punning intended). Oh, well...

Once one hears Durufle's Requiem all opinions, cares, worries all melt away as you're transported to another time and place. This is what I like to do when there's a poster who just annoys the living crap out of me. :)

Dancing Divertimentian

Quote from: Mirror Image on September 19, 2012, 10:20:16 PM
Once one hears Durufle's Requiem all opinions, cares, worries all melt away as you're transported to another time and place. This is what I like to do when there's a poster who just annoys the living crap out of me. :)

I like!



Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

Karl Henning

And once you've heard a Pettersson symphony -- how bad could any other piece of music be, really?

(j/k)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Sergeant Rock

I only like four fifths of the Symphonie fantastique. The central Scène aux champs puts me to sleep. Heard live, at a concert, it actually becomes a trial. The clock stands still. Since the music's program is meant to depict a narcotic-induced sleep, maybe it's doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing. Works that way for me anyway  ;D


Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Florestan

Quote from: karlhenning on September 20, 2012, 04:02:02 AM
And once you've heard a Pettersson symphony -- how bad could any other piece of music be, really?

(j/k)

Ouch! That would've hurt Sara (Lethe) no end...
Every kind of music is good, except the boring kind. — Rossini

Florestan

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 20, 2012, 05:30:20 AM
I only like four fifths of the Symphonie fantastique. The central Scène aux champs puts me to sleep. Heard live, at a concert, it actually becomes a trial. The clock stands still. Since the music's program is meant to depict a narcotic-induced sleep, maybe it's doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing. Works that way for me anyway  ;D

Say whaaaat? The oboe and the flute at the end... the timpani roll... that's pure bliss. I do hope Mrs. Rock doesn't share in this blasphemy.  ;D
Every kind of music is good, except the boring kind. — Rossini

Karl Henning

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 20, 2012, 05:30:20 AM
I only like four fifths of the Symphonie fantastique. The central Scène aux champs puts me to sleep. Heard live, at a concert, it actually becomes a trial. The clock stands still. Since the music's program is meant to depict a narcotic-induced sleep, maybe it's doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing. Works that way for me anyway  ;D


Sarge

That's not far from where my ears where (viz. that movement) 30 years ago, Sarge!

It was the most dramatic of the reversals, when I first heard the Norrington recording.  As ever, YMMV.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Florestan

Quote from: karlhenning on September 20, 2012, 05:46:49 AM
That's not far from where my ears where (viz. that movement) 30 years ago, Sarge!

It was the most dramatic of the reversals, when I first heard the Norrington recording.  As ever, YMMV.

Hah! Snorrington making someone wake up... now that's as unpopular as it gets...  :D :D :D
Every kind of music is good, except the boring kind. — Rossini

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Florestan on September 20, 2012, 05:46:07 AM
Say whaaaat? The oboe and the flute at the end... the timpani roll... that's pure bliss.

I guess I'm just not a pastoral kind of guy  ;D

Quote from: Florestan on September 20, 2012, 05:46:07 AM
I do hope Mrs. Rock doesn't share in this blasphemy.  ;D

My opinion is unpopular in the Rock household too.

Quote from: Florestan on September 20, 2012, 06:13:32 AM
Hah! Snorrington making someone wake up... now that's as unpopular as it gets...  :D :D :D

It is. Norrington's LCP performance is my fave Fantastique. When I ventured into the Symphonie fantastique thread a few years ago, professing that opinion, I came under heavy fire, especially from O Mensch. Forget a woman scorned: Hell hath no fury like a Mensch dismissing Norrington :D  I had to make a quick tactical retreat in order to fight another day.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

DavidRoss

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Quote from: Florestan on September 20, 2012, 06:13:32 AM
Hah! Snorrington making someone wake up... now that's as unpopular as it gets...  :D :D :D
;D

Quote from: karlhenning on September 20, 2012, 05:46:49 AM
It was the most dramatic of the reversals, when I first heard the Norrington recording.  As ever, YMMV.
Does that mean you liked Norrington? After enjoying his Mahler 1st (much to my surprise), my mind's more open to his efforts. 

Is it the Stuttgart or London Classical disc that you and Sarge like so much?
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

Karl Henning

Quote from: DavidRoss on September 20, 2012, 06:30:50 AM
Does that mean you liked Norrington?

Oui . . . although it is many years since last I heard this 'un.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: karlhenning on September 20, 2012, 05:46:49 AM
It was the most dramatic of the reversals, when I first heard the Norrington recording.  As ever, YMMV.

Norrington is the version that makes me the least drowsy. It helps that he lops off about three minutes compared to the usual timing. But even when listening to him, I usually skip the Scène and dive right into his marvelous Marche au supplice, his ponderous pace just perfect. (I can't stand fast marches; no one skips or sprints to the scaffold.)

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

AndyD.

Quote from: Mirror Image on September 19, 2012, 09:09:24 PM
I could never talk bad about my favorite Classical Era composer: JOSEPH HAYDN (AKA The Grand Master).

He's my favorite too, and I prefer him over the early Beethoven. But mid to late...no. To me mid LvB was more often than not proto-Romantic, and it's hard for me to label the late era. It was beyond categorization imo.

The Gods:  J.S. Bach, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Wagner, Lennon and McCartney, Tony Iommi.

Demi-Gods: Vivaldi, Monteverdi, Schubert, Schumann, Verdi, Bartok, Schoenberg, Shostakovich, Puccini, Rossini, Weber, Sibelius, Tchaikovsky, Uli Jon Roth, Berlioz, Pete Townshend, Berlioz, Mendellsohn, Bruckner, Mahler, Richard Strauss, Chopin, Rachmaninoff.

Liszt is in between God and Demi-God.

Oh, the hate due.
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Florestan

Speaking of which: Marche au supplice is, to my ears, one of the jolliest and most triumphant music ever written. If it weren't for the program I'd never guessed it was about a beheading.  ;D (question for native English speakers: is the last sentence correct in respect to time concordance?)
Every kind of music is good, except the boring kind. — Rossini

Florestan

Every kind of music is good, except the boring kind. — Rossini

AndyD.

Quote from: Florestan on September 20, 2012, 06:42:46 AM
Tony who?  ;D

Guitarist and main composer for Black Sabbath. Massively influential, any Rock you hear today that's harder than, say, R.E.M. or Adele is influenced, whether directly or indirectly, by Sabbath.

Still awaiting the venomous dissension.
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My rockin' Metal wife: