Unpopular Opinions

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jochanaan

Mahler's Eighth is his greatest symphony and one of the greatest symphonies in the canon. -- There!  That's an unpopular opinion, at least on GMG! ;D
Imagination + discipline = creativity

Ken B

Quote from: jochanaan on August 07, 2015, 06:18:45 AM
Mahler's Eighth is his greatest symphony and one of the greatest symphonies in the canon. -- There!  That's an unpopular opinion, at least on GMG! ;D
No unpopular enough!  >:D :laugh:

Madiel

Quote from: Beetzart on August 06, 2015, 12:32:28 PM
Mahler is the most overrated human being ever lived.  :P

Have you not heard of the Kardashians?
Nobody has to apologise for using their brain.

Christo

Donald Trump. Something with balls and brains.
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

The Six

Brahms is the ultimate example of the individual shaped by the signifier. He is a man seen only in mirror images; lost in a hall of mirrors, Brahms is a reflection of a reflection of a reflection. You start with Beethoven – the purest representation of humanity itself, and reflect him to create Schubert – the same thing, but slightly less. You invert Beethoven to create Wagner – Beethoven turned septic and libertarian – then you reflect the inversion in the reflection: you create a being who can only exist in reference to others. Brahms is the true nowhere man; without the others he reflects, inverts and parodies he has no reason to exist. Brahms's identity only comes from what and who he isn't – without a wider frame of reference he is nothing. He is not his own man. The saddest thing? In a world where our identities and beings are shaped by our warped relationships to brands and commerce we are all Brahms.

Jo498

This sound like a post-modernist slant on the Wagnerian rant that there was a certain composer without any ideas or personality, so that he had to present wearing in turn the mask of the gypsy fiddler, the ballad monger, the Handelian wig and therefore could not be taken seriously when he took on the persona of a serious symphonist...
Tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos, dans une chambre.
- Blaise Pascal

Florestan

Quote from: The Six on November 16, 2015, 09:17:15 PM
Brahms is the ultimate example of the individual shaped by the signifier. He is a man seen only in mirror images; lost in a hall of mirrors, Brahms is a reflection of a reflection of a reflection. You start with Beethoven – the purest representation of humanity itself, and reflect him to create Schubert – the same thing, but slightly less. You invert Beethoven to create Wagner – Beethoven turned septic and libertarian – then you reflect the inversion in the reflection: you create a being who can only exist in reference to others. Brahms is the true nowhere man; without the others he reflects, inverts and parodies he has no reason to exist. Brahms's identity only comes from what and who he isn't – without a wider frame of reference he is nothing. He is not his own man. The saddest thing? In a world where our identities and beings are shaped by our warped relationships to brands and commerce we are all Brahms.

I don´t know what you drank or smoke, but it must have been really strong.
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

Mirror Image

Quote from: Florestan on November 17, 2015, 12:28:40 AM
I don´t know what you drank or smoke, but it must have been really strong.

+1

Brahms is his own man. Always was, always will be.

Brian

Quote from: The Six on November 16, 2015, 09:17:15 PM
Brahms is the ultimate example of the individual shaped by the signifier. He is a man seen only in mirror images; lost in a hall of mirrors, Brahms is a reflection of a reflection of a reflection. You start with Beethoven – the purest representation of humanity itself, and reflect him to create Schubert – the same thing, but slightly less. You invert Beethoven to create Wagner – Beethoven turned septic and libertarian – then you reflect the inversion in the reflection: you create a being who can only exist in reference to others. Brahms is the true nowhere man; without the others he reflects, inverts and parodies he has no reason to exist. Brahms's identity only comes from what and who he isn't – without a wider frame of reference he is nothing. He is not his own man. The saddest thing? In a world where our identities and beings are shaped by our warped relationships to brands and commerce we are all Brahms.
I like this post a lot!

Unpopular Opinions is for people to say their unpopular opinions, and this is a huge success.  :)

Karl Henning

Quote from: Brian on November 17, 2015, 06:07:00 AM
I like this post a lot!

Unpopular Opinions is for people to say their unpopular opinions, and this is a huge success.  :)

Hah!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Florestan

Quote from: Brian on November 17, 2015, 06:07:00 AM
I like this post a lot!

Unpopular Opinions is for people to say their unpopular opinions, and this is a huge success.  :)

Yeah, but unpopular does not necessarily mean weird, and I mean weirdo weird.  ;D
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: Florestan on November 17, 2015, 06:17:38 AM
Yeah, but unpopular does not necessarily mean weird, and I mean weirdo weird.  ;D

Weird and weirdo weird opinions each have their own thread.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

TheGSMoeller


jochanaan

At this point, Brahms himself might say something like, "At least I have a reflection." :laugh:
Imagination + discipline = creativity

Madiel

Brahms: such a great all-rounder, he's suitable for comparison to all comers.
Nobody has to apologise for using their brain.

Karl Henning

I don't care for The Simpsons at all.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Brian

Quote from: karlhenning on December 22, 2015, 04:23:10 AM
I don't care for The Simpsons at all.
That makes two of us!

Although I do like some of the quotes.

Karl Henning

Quote from: Brian on December 22, 2015, 08:11:13 AM
That makes two of us!

Although I do like some of the quotes.

Oh, those, no one could take away from Groening & al.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Mirror Image

Quote from: karlhenning on December 22, 2015, 04:23:10 AM
I don't care for The Simpsons at all.

+1 Really dislike that show along with all of those others like Family Guy, American Dad, South Park, etc.

Mirror Image

I dislike Verdi, Puccini, or their ilk. Whether this is an 'unpopular' opinion, I'm not sure, but there you have it.