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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12860 on: December 02, 2021, 02:10:50 AM »


I though 3 was particularly impressive so I’m looking forward to this.
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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12861 on: December 02, 2021, 09:05:13 AM »


I though 3 was particularly impressive so I’m looking forward to this.

Looking forward to the viola da gamba drone piece 8)

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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12862 on: December 03, 2021, 08:58:51 AM »
King's/Cleobury/Argo:



and for the Savall enthusiasts here are Beethoven symphony timings + recording info:


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« Reply #12863 on: December 03, 2021, 10:19:30 AM »
King's/Cleobury/Argo:



and for the Savall enthusiasts here are Beethoven symphony timings + recording info:



Has anyone recorded a shorter Op. 125?
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« Reply #12864 on: December 03, 2021, 12:48:12 PM »
Has anyone recorded a shorter Op. 125?
Gardiner 59:43 and could have been two minutes faster if he had skipped some repeats in the scherzo.

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« Reply #12865 on: December 03, 2021, 01:42:54 PM »
Gardiner 59:43 and could have been two minutes faster if he had skipped some repeats in the scherzo.
Spering 59:36. The best recording, Herreweghe, is 62:26; his Royal Flemish Philharmonic remake comes in at 60:55. This is a fairly standard tempo range at this point.

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« Reply #12866 on: December 03, 2021, 01:44:15 PM »
Gardiner 59:43 and could have been two minutes faster if he had skipped some repeats in the scherzo.

The 1959 Munch BSO performance runs under 63 mins. The same forces gave a concert a couple of days before and it’s under 60’. The concert performance  is available on the net and it sizzles. No scherzo repeat of course. Munch never met a repeat he liked.

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« Reply #12867 on: December 03, 2021, 02:08:06 PM »
Gardiner 59:43 and could have been two minutes faster if he had skipped some repeats in the scherzo.

(* chortle *)
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« Reply #12868 on: December 03, 2021, 03:11:14 PM »
The British conductor George Smart, who was obsessed with how long performances took and kept a detailed diary of the length of everything he conducted, visited Beethoven in the late 1820s and asked how long the Ninth should go. Beethoven answered 45 minutes, though I suspect he was answering a stupid question with a stupid answer.  ;D Smart may have been a silly pedant, but he was also one of the leading Beethoven interpreters and advocates in the composer's lifetime and gave major UK premieres.

Even stripping out every repeat in the scherzo it's hard to imagine a tolerable performance clocking in under 54' (13/10/11/20).

Here is my post from the research trip I made to document Smart's work, including his tempo obsession. You will observe that his live Ninth in 1830ish took...64 minutes! (But his Pastoral a mind boggling 32...)
https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,12.msg503743.html#msg503743

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« Reply #12869 on: December 04, 2021, 08:54:46 AM »


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« Reply #12870 on: December 04, 2021, 09:10:56 AM »


Streaming in your neighbourhood now.

I'm game, thanks.
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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12871 on: December 04, 2021, 09:34:56 AM »


Can't remember if this showed up before.



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« Reply #12872 on: December 04, 2021, 09:55:08 AM »
Has anyone recorded a shorter Op. 125?

Some old, fast recordings are Scherchen/RTSI 62:28, Leibowitz 62:11, Toscanini 1939 and Walter 1947 61:57. I don't know about the repeats there.

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« Reply #12873 on: December 04, 2021, 09:57:21 AM »
Some old, fast recordings are Scherchen/RTSI 62:28, Leibowitz 62:11, Toscanini 1939 and Walter 1947 61:57. I don't know about the repeats there.

Interesting, thanks.
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« Reply #12874 on: December 04, 2021, 10:00:37 AM »
The British conductor George Smart, who was obsessed with how long performances took and kept a detailed diary of the length of everything he conducted, visited Beethoven in the late 1820s and asked how long the Ninth should go. Beethoven answered 45 minutes, though I suspect he was answering a stupid question with a stupid answer.  ;D Smart may have been a silly pedant, but he was also one of the leading Beethoven interpreters and advocates in the composer's lifetime and gave major UK premieres.

Even stripping out every repeat in the scherzo it's hard to imagine a tolerable performance clocking in under 54' (13/10/11/20).

Here is my post from the research trip I made to document Smart's work, including his tempo obsession. You will observe that his live Ninth in 1830ish took...64 minutes! (But his Pastoral a mind boggling 32...)
https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,12.msg503743.html#msg503743

That's interesting, thanks. The short duration in the Pastoral Symphony is indeed extremely short. Scherchen/RTSI is 34:35, most HIP stuff seems to be a little more than 40 minutes.
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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12875 on: December 04, 2021, 01:02:08 PM »
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Re: New Releases
« Reply #12876 on: December 04, 2021, 07:03:55 PM »


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