Recordings That You Are Considering

[Mirror Image]

This one is outstanding!

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[JBS]

This one is outstanding!

As reported on the Purchases thread, I ordered that one.

[Roy Bland]

I was quite uncertain to buy (composer was a songwriter).But it seems an interesting item

[Que]

I'm considering getting several items in this series with Ensemble Organum recordings:



But... could anyone confirm that there are NO texts with the CD issue? 

Q

[Jo498]

I don't know but mass texts are certainly public domain and easily accessible from catholic liturgical sites. Or blow the dust from your old latin textbook and have a look inside

[Florestan]

I don't know but mass texts are certainly public domain and easily accessible from catholic liturgical sites. Or blow the dust from your old latin textbook and have a look inside

Not to mention that I should have thought Que knew the Latin Mass by heart considering how many of them he must have heard by now. 

[Mandryka]

[Mandryka]

I'm considering getting several items in this series with Ensemble Organum recordings:



But... could anyone confirm that there are NO texts with the CD issue? 

Q

I don't own any of these new releases, but a friend of mine told me that in the Templars recording there's an essay, but not the text of the chants.

[Florestan]

I don't own any of these new releases, but a friend of mine told me that in the Templars recording there's an essay, but not the text of the chants.

The essay should do, ain't it? 

[Jo498]

I thought it was not only the standard mass kernel but some more texts but they also have been roughtly the same for like 1500 years in the Western Church and should be easy to find.
Quaerendo invenietis!

[Que]

Not to mention that I should have thought Que knew the Latin Mass by heart considering how many of them he must have heard by now. 

OK, OK... Not every issue in the series has (Latin) masses on it, obviously.
Besides, most sung texts, liturgical or otherwise  (songs, opera) are usually to be found somewhere but there is always the matter of convenience.

I don't own any of these new releases, but a friend of mine told me that in the Templars recording there's an essay, but not the text of the chants.

I read something indicating that as well. Why not include the texts of the chants is eluding me.

So, I guess the series doesn't come with texts - which is a pity.

Q

[Mandryka]

. Why not include the texts of the chants is eluding me.

I think if we saw the P&L we'd be both surprised at how tight the budget needs to be to make a profit.

[prémont]

Not ground breaking, but still enjoyable. I am glad to have heard it.

[Que]

I think if we saw the P&L we'd be both surprised at how tight the budget needs to be to make a profit.

I believe you. 
But I pay for a physical product, that should offer the complete experience in order to have added value in comparison to a download.
And we are talking about 5-6 pages, which is 2 extra printed sheets in the booklet that is already included.
How many cents will leaving them out, actually save - on a 2nd or 3rd issue ?
So, I still don't get it. Just have a look at the artwork that small independent labels produce.

Q

[Mandryka]

I believe you. 
But I pay for a physical product, that should offer the complete experience in order to have added value in comparison to a download.
And we are talking about 5-6 pages, which is 2 extra printed sheets in the booklet that is already included.
How many cents will leaving them out, actually save - on a 2nd or 3rd issue ?
So, I still don't get it. Just have a look at the artwork that small independent labels produce.

Q

It's maybe the copyrights on the translations which make the difference. And the way that Florestan reacted suggests that most people don't care. But anyway, I think you should write to Pérès and see what he says.

[Que]

It's maybe the copyrights on the translations which make the difference. And the way that Florestan reacted suggests that most people don't care. But anyway, I think you should write to Pérès and see what he says.

I doubt that he has any say in the matter. 

Q

[Florestan]

It's maybe the copyrights on the translations which make the difference. And the way that Florestan reacted suggests that most people don't care.

The text of the Latin Mass and its English translation is public domain. My point was that Que must have heard by now hundreds of Masses, at which point he should know it by heart. 

[Mandryka]

The text of the Latin Mass and its English translation is public domain. My point was that Que must have heard by now hundreds of Masses, at which point he should know it by heart. 

Yes and no. 


Here's the tracklist from the CD in Que's image, and you'll see what I mean.

Conduit monodique: «Beata viscera Marie Virginis» {Pérotin (fl. c1200)}
Conduit à quatre voix: «Deus misertus hominis» {Pérotin (fl. c1200)}
Introït: «Salve sancta parens» · Plain-chant
Kyrie à deux voix {Anonyme (fl. 13th cent.)}
Graduel à deux voix: «Benedicta et venerabilis» {Léonin (fl. c1163-1201)}
Alléluia à trois voix: «Nativitas gloriose virginis Marie» {Pérotin (fl. c1200)}
Offertoire: «Diffusa est gratia in labiis tuis» · Plain-chant
Préface · Plain-chant
Sanctus à deux voix: «Sanctorum exultatio» {Anonyme (fl. 13th cent.)}
Agnus Dei à deux voix: «Fons indeficiens pietatis» {Anonyme (fl. 13th cent.)}
Communion: «Beata viscera Marie virginis» · Plain-chant
Benedicamus Domino à deux voix {Léonin (fl. c1163-1201)}

The problem isn't the ordinaries, it's the propers. I expect they're all online apart from the Preface (track 8 ), and I expect they're easy to find. If it were me, I would find them on my ipad, I prefer the ipad to a booklet.

(I put it on as I was typing this, that Preface, and the sanctus just came up -- I nearly jumped out of my seat -- it's fucking marvellous music!)

[Florestan]

Yes and no. 


Here's the tracklist from the CD in Que's image, and you'll see what I mean.

Yes, I see now. I thought the talk was about the ordinary Mass, hence my puzzlement. I stand corrected.

[Mandryka]

Yes, I see now. I thought the talk was about the ordinary Mass, hence my puzzlement. I stand corrected.

Just go and listen to that Sanctus!  And indeed the Agnus Dei!