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[amw]

The Barto is not an accurate reflection of the Busoni edition on any level—the notes are closer to the Bach original, the nuances entirely Barto's. Tanski seems to be the only "proper" recording of the Bach/Busoni.

[Mandryka]

The Barto is not an accurate reflection of the Busoni edition on any level—the notes are closer to the Bach original, the nuances entirely Barto's. Tanski seems to be the only "proper" recording of the Bach/Busoni.

Well done for making that clearer,  when you look carefully at the recording it doesn't say that it's the Bach/Busoni, it says "after the adaption of Ferrucio Busoni", and the section in the booklet about Busoni speaks only of the organ "adaption."  I think it's slightly contemptuous of the public that Barto didn't put anything in the booklet to explain what he's done.

If you're right the CD is very misleading,  there are a couple of reviews on the UK amazon which just assert (as I would have done) that he's playing the Bach/Busoni, and I remember Don Satz, who has like 1,000 different sets of Goldbergs, telling me that it was the Bach/Busoni.

Pretty poor show on Barto's part.

Sara Davies Buechner has recorded the Bach/Busoni Goldbergs, I expect it's a pretty good performance, I haven't heard it but I remember she did the Bach/Busoni Well Tempered Clavier rather well.

https://www.youtube.com/v/3ApC9ziaH44

[SurprisedByBeauty]

Well done for making that clearer,  when you look carefully at the recording it doesn't say that it's the Bach/Busoni, it says "after the adaption of Ferrucio Busoni", and the section in the booklet about Busoni speaks only of the organ "adaption."  I think it's slightly contemptuous of the public that Barto didn't put anything in the booklet to explain what he's done.

If you're right the CD is very misleading,  there are a couple of reviews on the UK amazon which just assert (as I would have done) that he's playing the Bach/Busoni, and I remember Don Satz, who has like 1,000 different sets of Goldbergs, telling me that it was the Bach/Busoni.

Pretty poor show on Barto's part.

It's not on Tzimon Barto that the liner notes are what they are -- except, perhaps, not caring enough to make sure they aren't generic standard notes. That's on the label. But yes, it's really not the Busoni version but for all practical purposes the Barto-version hiding behind the Busoni. That said, I love the recording.

[amw]

Bach/Busoni is a fairly specific edition of the variations, & one can usually tell by following along with the score (http://conquest.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/3/34/IMSLP36102-PMLP02982-Bach-Busoni_-_Goldberg_Variations.pdf)—it does however have many ossias, and Busoni suggests that a number of variations be eliminated in performance, whilst still providing his versions of them, so several different realisations of the Bach/Busoni edition are possible. Barto lacks the main "Busoni" features though which include the concert ending, the reorderings, the extended Variation 25 etc so I imagine it'd be obvious to anyone who was familiar with the Bach/Busoni. Perhaps the label counted on not many people being that familiar with it.

[JBS]

Well done for making that clearer,  when you look carefully at the recording it doesn't say that it's the Bach/Busoni, it says "after the adaption of Ferrucio Busoni", and the section in the booklet about Busoni speaks only of the organ "adaption."  I think it's slightly contemptuous of the public that Barto didn't put anything in the booklet to explain what he's done.

If you're right the CD is very misleading,  there are a couple of reviews on the UK amazon which just assert (as I would have done) that he's playing the Bach/Busoni, and I remember Don Satz, who has like 1,000 different sets of Goldbergs, telling me that it was the Bach/Busoni.

Pretty poor show on Barto's part.

Sara Davies Buechner has recorded the Bach/Busoni Goldbergs, I expect it's a pretty good performance, I haven't heard it but I remember she did the Bach/Busoni Well Tempered Clavier rather well.

https://www.youtube.com/v/3ApC9ziaH44

I have to say I am deeply unimpressed by that.  Best description I give it  is that it sounds like Chopin playing a bit of Bach while he's hungover and is waiting for breakfast to be served.

[Mandryka]

https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/in-vergessenen-toenen/hnum/6404718

Love Sabine Lutzenberger's voice so I guess it's inevitable that I'll get this unless someone signals a warning.

[Florestan]

it sounds like Chopin playing a bit of Bach while he's hungover and is waiting for breakfast to be served.

If only it were recorded...

[Mandryka]

[Madiel]

I listened to 3 sonatas this evening and I consistently enjoyed myself. I think this might be in line with my tastes, and nice for when Kovacevich (my other complete set) is just a little too hot-headed.

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[Jo498]

AFAIR Goode was quite highly regarded when it came out in the 1990s. I had the op.10 on a single disc back then and eventually culled it. It is certainly rather cool-headed, so it might be a good complement for what you already got.

[zamyrabyrd]

They couldn't come up with a better cover picture?

[Ras]

They couldn't come up with a better cover picture?

Do you want them naked? 

[JBS]

I listened to 3 sonatas this evening and I consistently enjoyed myself. I think this might be in line with my tastes, and nice for when Kovacevich (my other complete set) is just a little too hot-headed.

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A second listing offers better prices on Amazon US.
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[Madiel]

A second listing offers better prices on Amazon US.
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Noted, though I probably wouldn't get it from Amazon anyway. Though they've now decided they CAN ship to Australia again, I'm still pretty annoyed about the 5 months when one of the largest companies in the world said it simply couldn't cope with our tax laws.

I gather they only backed down because of the scale of the backlash.

EDIT: And apparently third party sellers on the marketplace are STILL not available. Nor anything from other Amazon sites besides the US one. Hell's bells. eBay had no problem with this, so is Amazon being a deliberate pain in the arse or are they just incompetent?

[PerfectWagnerite]

Noted, though I probably wouldn't get it from Amazon anyway. Though they've now decided they CAN ship to Australia again, I'm still pretty annoyed about the 5 months when one of the largest companies in the world said it simply couldn't cope with our tax laws.

so is Amazon being a deliberate pain in the arse or are they just incompetent?

When your entire population is under 25 million you probably haven't reached critical mass for Amazon to really give you top priority. No offense.

Amazon is a lot of things but incompetent is not one of the qualities.

A second listing offers better prices on Amazon US.
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I really like Goode's cycle. That and Claude Frank's are my two favorites for their directness.

[Madiel]

When your entire population is under 25 million you probably haven't reached critical mass for Amazon to really give you top priority. No offense.

Amazon is a lot of things but incompetent is not one of the qualities.
I really like Goode's cycle. That and Claude Frank's are my two favorites for their directness.

We are among the biggest overseas online shoppers in the world, and were among their biggest overseas customers before they stuffed us around. It's precisely because of our population and distance that we are instinctively geared to looking overseas for stuff.  We will jump onto US sites, in particular, without hesitation.

The reason it's so galling is because they actually said when Australian tax law changed that it was too difficult for them to comply with. Meanwhile, every other significant online retailer, including eBay as I mentioned, coped just fine. So if they're not incompetent, they're just liars.

Ultimately what they were trying to do was get Australians to use the relatively new Amazon Australia instead. But that hasn't worked because it's obvious the range of what's available is significantly less. See above about the Australian readiness to look overseas. We don't accept crap just because it's local crap. And they're not the first American mega-corporation to misunderstand the Australian market.

[JBS]

Noted, though I probably wouldn't get it from Amazon anyway. Though they've now decided they CAN ship to Australia again, I'm still pretty annoyed about the 5 months when one of the largest companies in the world said it simply couldn't cope with our tax laws.

I gather they only backed down because of the scale of the backlash.

EDIT: And apparently third party sellers on the marketplace are STILL not available. Nor anything from other Amazon sites besides the US one. Hell's bells. eBay had no problem with this, so is Amazon being a deliberate pain in the arse or are they just incompetent?

There are a substantial number of 3rd party sellers on Amazon Europe who don't ship to the US, so it may not necessarily be Amazon's fault.
I do know that Amazon US is consistently less efficient in shipping, etc. than any of the European Amazons I have dealth with (UK, France, Spain, Italy).

I did, btw, just order the Goode cycle off Amazon MP.

[Ken B]

We are among the biggest overseas online shoppers in the world, and were among their biggest overseas customers before they stuffed us around. It's precisely because of our population and distance that we are instinctively geared to looking overseas for stuff.  We will jump onto US sites, in particular, without hesitation.

The reason it's so galling is because they actually said when Australian tax law changed that it was too difficult for them to comply with. Meanwhile, every other significant online retailer, including eBay as I mentioned, coped just fine. So if they're not incompetent, they're just liars.

Ultimately what they were trying to do was get Australians to use the relatively new Amazon Australia instead. But that hasn't worked because it's obvious the range of what's available is significantly less. See above about the Australian readiness to look overseas. We don't accept crap just because it's local crap. And they're not the first American mega-corporation to misunderstand the Australian market.

Numerous big US companies have failed in Canada too, for lack of understanding the market. Target failed pretty spectacularly. Sam's Club failed. Donut chains, Boston Market.

Need to distinguish between Amazon and Marketplace though.

[Madiel]

Apparently Australia is Starbucks' biggest failure.

I suspect we're quite proud of that.

[Que]

When your entire population is under 25 million you probably haven't reached critical mass for Amazon to really give you top priority. No offense.

This is why The Netherlands has been "annexed" by German Amazon - it now even has a Dutch language option...
Though unlike Austria, buyers from the Netherlands are not treated on equal footing in relation to shipping costs &  market place sellers that only ship "domestically"....

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