Wagner Opera Blowout! Choose Your Favorites!

Started by Mirror Image, March 15, 2012, 09:54:12 AM

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What are your favorite Wagner operas? You are allowed three choices.

Die Feen
0 (0%)
Das Liebesverbot
0 (0%)
Rienzi
0 (0%)
Der Fliegende Holländer
2 (7.7%)
Tannhäuser
1 (3.8%)
Lohengrin
5 (19.2%)
Das Rheingold
3 (11.5%)
Die Walküre
10 (38.5%)
Siegfried
5 (19.2%)
Götterdämmerung
7 (26.9%)
Tristan und Isolde
12 (46.2%)
Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg
3 (11.5%)
Parsifal
8 (30.8%)

Total Members Voted: 26

Voting closed: July 13, 2012, 09:54:12 AM

Karl Henning

Redemption, something of which the composer foremost stood in frequent and urgent need, himself ; )
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Sergeant Rock

#21
Quote from: Todd on March 15, 2012, 10:43:14 AM
I wonder if anyone will vote for the pre-Dutchman operas.  I've never heard them.

Rienzi really is good. (Well, I love it anyway  ;) ) Wagner does a good Meyerbeer impression. I assume you've heard the overture. If you like that, you'd probably like the opera.


Quote from: Todd on March 15, 2012, 10:43:14 AM
This would have been much easier if The Ring was one choice . . .

Too easy  ;D  MI's a bastard for making us choose, but he's right.  It's more interesting to be forced to make a choice between the individual Ring operas and the rest.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: karlhenning on March 15, 2012, 11:55:23 AM
Redemption, something of which the composer foremost stood in frequent and urgent need, himself ; )

Exactly...which is probably why nearly every piece of music he wrote emphasizes that theme.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Marc

I should not be allowed to participate in this one, 'cause I ain't no Wagnerian. But in my younger years I've listened to most of them at least once .... and the ones that made the best impression were Holländer, Walküre and Parsifal.
But it's sad to see that Rheingold has not been voted for yet. The opening scene is fabeltastic!

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Mirror Image on March 15, 2012, 10:12:58 AM
Good to see another Parsifal fan.

I knew we wouldn't be alone in our admiration. At this point, only Tristan has garnered more votes.

Quote from: Mirror Image on March 15, 2012, 10:28:32 AM
Come to think of it, I have yet to hear Lohengrin in it's entirety as well. I only have one recording of it and it's with Solti. Don't know if it's a good one or not, but I got it really cheap.

Solti's Lohengrin I haven't heard. Kempe and Keilberth are the gold standard. I like the new Bychkov too.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Marc on March 15, 2012, 12:08:03 PM
But it's sad to see that Rheingold has not been voted for yet. The opening scene is fabeltastic!

Agreed. Along with Act I Scene 3 Walküre, it's probably my favorite bit of Wagner. It's especially good seeing it performed.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Mirror Image

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 15, 2012, 12:14:48 PM
I knew we wouldn't be alone in our admiration. At this point, only Tristan has garnered more votes.

Solti's Lohengrin I haven't heard. Kempe and Keilberth are the gold standard. I like the new Bychkov too.

Sarge

I'll have to checkout Kempe and Keilberth. Yes, I've seen the Bychkov and was wondering about that one. How is Thielemann's Parsifal? Have you heard it? It looked interesting.

Gurn Blanston

The fruit, by god, where is the bloody fruit!  0:)

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Lisztianwagner

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 15, 2012, 12:14:48 PM
Solti's Lohengrin I haven't heard. Kempe and Keilberth are the gold standard. I like the new Bychkov too.

Sarge

I agree, the Kempe recording is really outstanding, beautiful! But so is the Karajan as well! :)
"You cannot expect the Form before the Idea, for they will come into being together." - Arnold Schönberg

Karl Henning

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 15, 2012, 12:06:49 PM
Exactly...which is probably why nearly every piece of music he wrote emphasizes that theme.

Good insight, Sarge!

Now: I wonder why my own musical language is . . . all over creation . . . ?
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Mirror Image on March 15, 2012, 12:17:43 PMHow is Thielemann's Parsifal? Have you heard it? It looked interesting.

It does look interesting but I don't own it. I think Jens likes it. My faves are Karajan (desert island), Knappertsbusch '51 and '64, and Boulez (when I'm in a hurry  ;D )

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on March 15, 2012, 12:19:45 PM
The fruit, by god, where is the bloody fruit!  0:)

8)

In this case, an apple, not a banana, would have been appropriate  ;)

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Mirror Image

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 15, 2012, 12:24:38 PM
It does look interesting but I don't own it. I think Jens likes it. My faves are Karajan (desert island), Knappertsbusch '51 and '64, and Boulez (when I'm in a hurry  ;D )

Sarge

Thanks for the feedback. For Parsifal, I only own Karajan and Solti so far. I've enjoyed both recordings.

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Lisztianwagner on March 15, 2012, 12:20:51 PMBut so is the Karajan as well! :)

Indeed. I love Karajan's Wagner (my favorite Ring, my favorite Parsifal, my favorite Tristan). In the case of Lohengrin, though, I prefer the singers in other versions.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Karl Henning

I understand it's extra-languourous, and at some point I must give it a shot in toto in one sitting (well, with intermission, I suppose) . . . but I do like the Levine-led Parsifal in The Cube.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

mc ukrneal

Quote from: karlhenning on March 15, 2012, 12:32:43 PM
I understand it's extra-languourous, and at some point I must give it a shot in toto in one sitting (well, with intermission, I suppose) . . . but I do like the Levine-led Parsifal in The Cube.
Is that the one with Domingo or the other one?
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Sergeant Rock

Quote from: mc ukrneal on March 15, 2012, 12:35:57 PM
Is that the one with Domingo or the other one?

Hofmann is Levine's Parsifal in the "Cube" (Bayreuth '85). Domingo is Thielemann's.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: karlhenning on March 15, 2012, 12:32:43 PM
I understand it's extra-languourous, and at some point I must give it a shot in toto in one sitting (well, with intermission, I suppose) . . . but I do like the Levine-led Parsifal in The Cube.

I like Levine's almost static Parsifal too but I rate it personally below the ones I mentioned.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Mirror Image

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 15, 2012, 12:42:27 PM
I like Levine's almost static Parsifal too but I rate it personally below the ones I mentioned.

Sarge

I haven't heard Levine's but I don't really see how it could top Karajan's. I may be alone in liking Solti's Parsifal, but was especially good. I don't think I need another one after all. 8) I never have liked EMI's sonics for Karajan, so I'll pass on his Tristan und Isolde. I've got the Bohm and it's quite fine.

mc ukrneal

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 15, 2012, 12:39:58 PM
Hofmann is Levine's Parsifal in the "Cube" (Bayreuth '85). Domingo is Thielemann's.

Sarge
Ok. But Domingo also did one with Levine.  At least, I thought he did. Now I will need to check...
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