Tchaikovsky Trio

[snyprrr]

Has the Piano Trio been discussed lately? I have forgotten it, but I seem to recall if someone plays it sad enough I like it? I'll check...

[snyprrr]

Pretty much I'm coming cold to this one (for serious listening/wallowing). I'd be looking for the darkest, saddest, lugubrious... perhaps understated,.... and maybe also a super wild performance to balance things out.

I went through the Amazon listing, which surprisingly seemed not all that large (@250, most of which are 'Baby Needs...").

So, waddaya say?

[mszczuj]

I like very much  the way it is recorded:

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[zamyrabyrd]

Has the Piano Trio been discussed lately? I have forgotten it, but I seem to recall if someone plays it sad enough I like it? I'll check...

One of the hardest pieces in piano literature to play, also to put together, but wonderful to do. The Perlman, Askenazy and Harrell was a mainstay while I was trying to learn it. There should be a recording with DuPre and Barenboim that was quite exciting (the fastest tempi ever!) to hear on radio from time to time but I don't know if it was ever commerically released. Gosh, I think I will take out my CD and have a listen (even better to find a willing violinist and cellist)!

ZB

[Josquin des Prez]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hkp7NFwPwk

Raw enough for you?

One of those rare instances where an all "stars" trio actually worked out very well. The other being the Thibaud, Casals, Cortot trio.

[Josquin des Prez]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hkp7NFwPwk

My current favored version of the trio.

[mszczuj]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hkp7NFwPwk

Raw enough for you?

It is funny as I have been listening to only two interpretations of this trio in last 15 years.

After Naxos recording this trio became my absolute favorite work of Tchaikovsky. Ad this was the time I was listenig to the whole Tchaikovsky and discovered for the first time how good technicaly and how masterful composer he was. I prefer rather intelectual music but I 'm not the one the who is indifferent for emotion and the passion in this recording is so overwhelming that I can compare it only with my favorite emotional vocal interpretations like "But who may abide" of Emma Kirkby and Hogwood and with "Es ist volbracht" of boy alto from the first Harnoncourt recording. When I'm listening to it I'm absolutely possessed by emotion..

So I decided to try the interpretation of three masters - I must say I really like Heifetz (or may be I just definitely prefer Guarneri del Gesu to Stradivari) - being sure that it would be somethiing more than intterpretation of three anonymous of Naxos. This was one of the greatest disapointments in my life - uninteresting salon music in the place of the cosmological drama.  So  I haven't been trying to listen to any other interpretation of this trio since that.  And forgive me I couldn't even check if this would be for me the same pale nothing which displeased me so much.

[Josquin des Prez]

I must say I really like Heifetz

I generally don't, which is why i found this recording to be such a pleasant surprise. His recording of the violin concerto with Reiner is also very, very good.

[Que]

Pretty much I'm coming cold to this one (for serious listening/wallowing). I'd be looking for the darkest, saddest, lugubrious... perhaps understated,.... and maybe also a super wild performance to balance things out.

I went through the Amazon listing, which surprisingly seemed not all that large (@250, most of which are 'Baby Needs...").

So, waddaya say?

No, no, no, you are looking for the wrongs things in this piece IMO. Emphasis on that in pretty much nearly every recording kills this beautiful piece off.  What you need is a performance that gets the roots of this piece in traditional Russian folk music right. The rhytmic treatment and accentuation, that is what it's all about. Slow and "lugubrious" = dead as a Dodo.

I've sought for the right version for years and there are to my knowledge two that get it right: an old Melodiya recording with Gilels, Kogan and Rostropovich, which I have heard but sadly don't own on CD. The other is a newer recording (1990) on Mezhdunarodnaya Kniga, with Lyubov Timofeyeva, Maxim Fedotov and Kirill Rodin. The cover looks horrible but it sounds great - and they takes all the repeats, unlike those heathens that want to squeeze two piano trios on one disc!  There are still some used copies floating around.



Q

[Josquin des Prez]

Perhaps you could upload a sample, like the fugue, or the mazurka. I'm piqued.

[Que]

Perhaps you could upload a sample, like the fugue, or the mazurka. I'm piqued.

OK, I will...this weekend.

Q

[Sergeant Rock]

There should be a recording with DuPre and Barenboim that was quite exciting (the fastest tempi ever!)...

The Trio was coupled with the Zuckerman/Barenboim Beethoven Sonatas.




Sarge

[Karl Henning]

Thanks for tossing this onto ye radar, Sarge & ZB!

[snyprrr]

No, no, no, you are looking for the wrongs things in this piece

Yes, I know

but I'll look into your recommends. Thanks!


I was just wondering what it would sound like if everyone was on morphine.

[zamyrabyrd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hkp7NFwPwk
My current favored version of the trio.

Fascinating recording with Heifetz and Piatigorsky, and VERY fast indeed in the first movement. Interesting how almost deferential Rubinstein was, in the service of the music, of course, keeping the piano part discreet; supportive but not bombastic even though the difficulty is tantamount to a piano concerto.
This is one piece I can listen to over and over again and not get tired and have done.

ZB

[Josquin des Prez]

Just take the morphine instead. Then you can listen to any performance you want.

[Scion7]

Good performance, but it is the 'cut' version (following Pyotr Ilich's  own advice) - OOP but you can find it if you really want it.
Even so, this is a long trio.

[Josquin des Prez]

I think it is significant in light in what you said that some of the best recordings of the late Rubinstein were those he did as a chamber musician (vis, his recordings with the Guarnieri quartet, which are great indeed). I'm saying this as one who wasn't as fond of the aged pianist as a lot of people seem to be. Indeed, give me something like the recordings of the mazurkas he did in the late 30s over all the Chopin he recorded after that, any day.

[Karl Henning]

The Trio was coupled with the Zuckerman/Barenboim Beethoven Sonatas.

Overall a fine performance of the Trio.  The violin, perhaps a smidgen schmaltzier than quite suits me.

Doesn't displace the Argerich/Kremer/Maisky for me, but glad to have it as an alternate.

[Josquin des Prez]

Haha, you got some of my most despised artists all bunched together. Argerich, Kremer, Zuckerman and Barenboim. All names that make me cringe.

Except for du Pre. She was actually cool. The only cellist i know that actually managed to interpret the Chopin sonata correctly.