What you like and dislike about GMG

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North Star

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Agree with Karl, tis another nonsense posting from Henk, and not the first one.

Henk

#102
Quote from: karlhenning on May 10, 2012, 04:33:31 AM
Well, I am sorry for you that this is something you Dislike about GMG; but your screed here is not any great argument for your own refinement or acumen.  Just yesterday I listened to Dvořák's Eighth & Ninth Symphonies, but it had nothing to do with "keeping old times alive." For you to call people who listen to late Romantic music "idle" is ridiculous, and probably too ridiculous to be insulting.  I listen to it all the time, and if you're calling me "idle," it only goes to show how little you know — and again, if your absurdly broad comments fall this short of sensible evaluation, it makes all your commentary here seem clownish.  "There's not much positive to say about late-romantic music": how can you spout such rubbish?  No, really: I am curious how it is possible.  Is it just that you form ideas, and refuse to test them with actual experience?  I can say positive things about that part of the literature daily for a year, and not repeat myself.  Yet you pontificate here that "there's not much."  Just how deep a hole in the sand have you jammed your head into, fella?

"It's unnatural in rest as well unrest." If anyone on the planet knows what this is supposed to mean, I should like it in lucid English. Not that I hold any great hope that there is any reasonable insight contained therein.


Karl, it´s just my opinion. I think this thread is the appropriate place to express some thoughts about it. I keep my mouth already all the time.

I hope you can withstand this and don't pull all I say in the ridiculous. :) However I really like those commentary by you in either way. I feel no attack at all, it's nice talk, it's fun, it has a certain kind of impact on me however, and I consider this positive. I feel no need to counterattack your arguments. It's just my opinion and that's it. I know it's critical to people, but I think people can tolerate this. I don't demand people to agree.

Karl, I have listened to late-romantic music. But it's not rewarding for me at all anymore, in not any way. Maybe some Mahler I would like to listen to.
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'... the cultivation of a longing for the absolute born of a desire for one another as different.' (Luce Irigaray)

North Star

What I can't fathom is what has Henk not liking late Romantic music got to do with the forum itself.
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Karl Henning

Quote from: North Star on May 10, 2012, 05:42:50 AM
What I can't fathom is what has Henk not liking late Romantic music got to do with the forum itself.

As Yul Brynner said: Is a puzzlement.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Gurn Blanston

Quote from: North Star on May 10, 2012, 05:42:50 AM
What I can't fathom is what has Henk not liking late Romantic music got to do with the forum itself.

It is possible that he feels that the majority of people here are idlers fans of that sort of music, and so it is a trait of the board itself. Not that I believe that, but I can easily see where someone would.   0:)

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Karl Henning

Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on May 10, 2012, 06:04:13 AM
It is possible that he feels that the majority of people here are idlers fans of that sort of music, and so it is a trait of the board itself. Not that I believe that, but I can easily see where someone would.   0:)

8)

Wonder what Henk has to say about Haydnistas?  I could conceivably get whapped from two different angles, here . . . .
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Henk

#107
Please, don't put me in the middlepoint of this forum. I don't like that. This forum is not about me, it seems so with all those reactions.

Why don't let me just say something? I don't repeat the same thing, critical things, all the time, then it would be different.

Henk
'The 'I' is not prior to the 'we'.' (Jean-Luc Nancy)

'... the cultivation of a longing for the absolute born of a desire for one another as different.' (Luce Irigaray)

Karl Henning

Quote from: Henk on May 10, 2012, 06:17:49 AM
Please, don't put me in the middlepoint of this forum. I don't like that. This forum is not about me, it seems so with all those reactions.

There was a chap, who threw a stink bomb into a room.

He then professed surprise that everyone seemed to be holding his nose.

"Do not make what I have done the center of attention," he protested. "I don't like that. Why don't you all just breathe normally?"
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Henk

Karl, this is ridiculous.

I only express an opinion. You on the other hand speak in the name of others and the forum. I don't like this. And you don't respect me for having an opinion.
'The 'I' is not prior to the 'we'.' (Jean-Luc Nancy)

'... the cultivation of a longing for the absolute born of a desire for one another as different.' (Luce Irigaray)

North Star

Quote from: Henk on May 10, 2012, 06:17:49 AM
Please, don't put me in the middlepoint of this forum. I don't like that. This forum is not about me, it seems so with all those reactions.

Why don't let me just say something? I don't repeat the same thing, critical things, all the time, then it would be different.

Henk

You did voluntarily post your objections in this very thread, didn't you? It's not so much what you said, but where you said it. No-one would mind if you threw the stink bomb in your own thread (room).



And now, to get the thread back on the rails again
What I like best about this forum is most of the membership and the intelligent discussions about music and other things. And that we can all appreciate each others' taste and opinion, while learning from them, too.
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

My photographs on Flickr

Karl Henning

Quote from: North Star on May 10, 2012, 07:53:03 AM
What I like best about this forum is most of the membership and the intelligent discussions about music and other things. And that we can all appreciate each others' taste and opinion, while learning from them, too.

If this post had a Like button, I'd mash it.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Henk

#112
Quote from: North Star on May 10, 2012, 07:53:03 AM
You did voluntarily post your objections in this very thread, didn't you? It's not so much what you said, but where you said it. No-one would mind if you threw the stink bomb in your own thread (room).



And now, to get the thread back on the rails again
What I like best about this forum is most of the membership and the intelligent discussions about music and other things. And that we can all appreciate each others' taste and opinion, while learning from them, too.

Man, don't get so upset. I think this was the appropriate thread to post these thoughts, it's about what you dislike about these forums, and this is what I dislike. I don't like to be confronted with all that late-romantic stuff all the time. But I accept it. Just let me express how I think and feel about it.

I object to the word "stink bomb" as expressed in my reply to Karl already.
'The 'I' is not prior to the 'we'.' (Jean-Luc Nancy)

'... the cultivation of a longing for the absolute born of a desire for one another as different.' (Luce Irigaray)

Sammy

Quote from: Henk on May 10, 2012, 04:19:34 AM
Dislike:
2. I have difficulties with a taste for late-romantic music. It's not my taste at all. For me it's nationalistic, it's a way of keeping old times alive, for me it's dreadful music. People who listen to it, are idle.

Not true.  I love late-romantic and here's what I did from 6am to 11am:

1.  Trimmed my beard.
2.  Took my dog Sammy for a two mile walk.
3.  Fed Sammy, the fish and myself.
4.  Dug up two dead bushes in the backyard.
5.  Moved a couch for an elderly neighbor.
6.  Paid all my bills.
7.  Fixed a bathroom toilet that was leaking.
8.  Drove to Whole Foods and bought $150 worth.

AND I STILL HAD SUFFICIENT TIME TO RESPOND TO YOUR NUTTY POSTING. 8)

Karl Henning

Quote from: Henk on May 10, 2012, 08:49:35 AM
Man, don't get so upset. I think this was the appropriate thread to post these thoughts. I don't like to be confronted with all that late-romantic stuff all the way. But I accept it. Just let me express what I think and feel about it.

What, that people who listen to it are "idle," and that there is "nothing positive" about it?  You require the right to express this, but you object to anyone exercising the right to contradict you?

Well, thank goodness we "idlers" who enjoy that literature have you, an intellectual giant, to shine the light upon us, eh?

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

North Star

Quote from: Henk on May 10, 2012, 08:49:35 AM
Man, don't get so upset. I think this was the appropriate thread to post these thoughts, it's about what you dislike about these forums, and this is what I dislike. I don't like to be confronted with all that late-romantic stuff all the time. But I accept it. Just let me express how I think and feel about it.

I object to the word "stink bomb" as expressed in my reply to Karl already.

Oh come on, no-one here is more upset(ting) than you. But you could be more eloquent and thoughtful in your postings. Saying that the focus of the forum is too much on late romantics for your taste is quite far from your original post. But this is, as Luke put it some time ago, partly because recordings are a major part of discussion, and especially for late Romantic symphonists, and the threads get very long because of this. But to complain of a lack of interest, even in comparison to the late Romantics, in early music, Classicism, or 20th & 21st century music, is something I don't understand. You can always post more about things that interest you more, but it shouldn't be a problem if other people do the same.

Now I'm going to see how the French will fare against Finns in Ice Hockey.  ::)
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Henk

#116
Quote from: karlhenning on May 10, 2012, 08:53:11 AM
What, that people who listen to it are "idle,"

Yes I think they are, but I feel for them because of this. I see this psychologically. It has less to do with the ethetical value of the music.
'The 'I' is not prior to the 'we'.' (Jean-Luc Nancy)

'... the cultivation of a longing for the absolute born of a desire for one another as different.' (Luce Irigaray)

Philoctetes

Quote from: Henk on May 10, 2012, 09:08:51 AM
Yes I think they are, but I feel for them because of this.

It's a remark like this, combined with others, why people have reacted negatively to your "opinion."

Henk

#118
Quote from: Philoctetes on May 10, 2012, 09:11:35 AM
It's a remark like this, combined with others, why people have reacted negatively to your "opinion."

I just speak freely. I don´t think I hurt someone with my remarks.

But, okay, I understand your point. I may have learned something again. Thanks for your feedback.
'The 'I' is not prior to the 'we'.' (Jean-Luc Nancy)

'... the cultivation of a longing for the absolute born of a desire for one another as different.' (Luce Irigaray)

Philoctetes

Quote from: Henk on May 10, 2012, 09:13:17 AM
I just speak freely. I don´t think I hurt someone with my remarks.

Bullshit. Your previous remark was about as condescending as it gets.