What you like and dislike about GMG

[Henk]

What I dislike:
3. People who behave like moral authorities here. Which often leads to actions by moderators by which the individual is outcasted by the community.

[Sammy]

I just speak freely. I don´t think I hurt someone with my remarks.

You and 71 dB should get together for an afternoon.  He's a free thinker, you're a free speaker.

[Philoctetes]

What I dislike:
3. People who behave like moral authorities here. Which often leads to actions by moderators.

If that's a reference to me, I'd chock it up to you not fully understanding communication in English. You're about as bad as it gets with a poster. I mean there are posters who post more inane things than you, but they at least keep them contained within the proper threads.

[Henk]

You make other feel guilty for the sake of the community, while they aren't to blame for anything. And you get mad instead of talking in a more reasonable and positive way.

[Philoctetes]

You make other feel guilty for the sake of the community, while they aren't to blame for anything. And you get mad instead of talking in a reasonable way.

What's strange is not a single word in that sentence is true.

A. I don't make anyone else feel anything. If you feel guilty, that's your own deal, not mine,.
B. You are to blame for most of this, as has been pointed out multiple times by multiple posters. This isn't also the first time that you've bitched like this. How many times have you left? Right.
C. No one on this forum could even come close to getting me upset. I will admit that I find you to be an irritating twat, but I think that of gnats as well.
D. You can't speak reasonably to an unreasonably person.

[Lisztianwagner]

All is well, I am among a few others a huge admirer of the Strauss Family as composers. Prove of the pudding is the 52 CD box released by Naxos I have in my possession, although I do not think anybody else bought this on GMG, at least not that I am aware of!

Yes, what a pity that the Strausses, like the rest of the waltzes composers (Hellmesberger, Ziehrer, Waldteufel, Lehar, etc.) are not much considered. Ah, that box is really wonderful, I own it as well! Before getting it, the Neujahrskonzerte were my only way to collect Strauss' compositions.

[Philoctetes]

Yes, what a pity that the Strausses, like the rest of the waltzes composers (Hellmesberger, Ziehrer, Waldteufel, Lehar, etc.) are not much considered. Ah, that box is really wonderful, I own it as well! Before getting it, the Neujahrskonzerte were my only way to collect Strauss' compositions.

I don't own that boxset, but I've really enjoyed all of the music I've heard from it. I find those sort of composition such a joy to listen to.

[DieNacht]

Henk:
2. I have difficulties with a taste for late-romantic music. It's not my taste at all. For me it's nationalistic, it's a way of keeping old times alive, for me it's dreadful music. People who listen to it, are idle. There's not much postive to say about late-romantic music. It's unnatural in rest as well unrest. Some of this music really present false things, this leads to feelings, people find nice, but have nothing to do with reality.

I don´t find myself losing temper because of these views, in fact there are some grains of truth in them, due to the militant and heroic nationalism or other parodical or mythical content in some romantic / late-romantic music. But the views should be underlined by concrete examples. I don´t think the views are valid to dismiss the romantic or the late-romantic repertoire in general. Universalism, social equality and critique, psychological realism, and spiritual development were on the programme of the Romantics / late-Romantics too, in spite of that quest also often leading to esoterism, egocentrism or escapism. If nothing else, their faults are relevant for our meditation today also, and their traits of nationalism and often genuine interest in the common people were contributing to the democracies that gradually promoted increased social equality and our present societies.

In a way it´s a bit amusing that I feel quite familiar with your characterizations of some classical music BUT concerning pre-1789 music, which I often find less involving than post-1789 music - due to that earlier music´s lesser content of contemporary value, its adherence to conservative political or religious dogmas in society, and it often-found character of pure upper class divertissements with occasional ridicule of the lower classes ... Yet you seem to like pre-1789 music a lot ... Do you really think that Boccherini for instance has more contemporary value or relevance for us, than Mahler ?

[Lisztianwagner]

I don't own that boxset, but I've really enjoyed all of the music I've heard from it. I find those sort of composition such a joy to listen to.

Amazing, so glad you like the Strausses music too!

[Szykneij]

Hi Henk -- Here's a little advice that might be helpful. If you had said

2. I have difficulties with a taste for late-romantic music. It's not my taste at all. For me it's nationalistic, it's a way of keeping old times alive, for me it's dreadful music.

and stopped there, there would have been no controversy. Most here would probably disagree with your sentiments, but respect your opinion because you were expressing how you personally feel about the music. But you continued by saying

People who listen to it, are idle. There's not much postive to say about late-romantic music. It's unnatural in rest as well unrest. Some of this music really present false things, this leads to feelings, people find nice, but have nothing to do with reality.

and thereby insulted most everyone in this community. You just called me idle and unrealistic, which means you are one of those

People who behave like moral authorities here.

[eyeresist]

2. I have difficulties with a taste for late-romantic music. It's not my taste at all. For me it's nationalistic, it's a way of keeping old times alive, for me it's dreadful music. People who listen to it, are idle. There's not much postive to say about late-romantic music. It's unnatural in rest as well unrest. Some of this music really present false things, this leads to feelings, people find nice, but have nothing to do with reality.

Someone's been taking Adorno too seriously (i.e. at all seriously)

All criticism of music on the basis of ideological dogma is ultimately irrelevant.

Henk, don't get worked up when people disagree with you. These things happen.

[Mirror Image]

Dislike:

1. Johann Strauss is not as appreciated as he would deserve.....

It's not that I don't appreciate what Johan Strauss Sr. or Jr. did, it's that I don't think their music is that interesting. There's a number of composers that I wish were more appreciated around here too, but I don't hold it against anyone else because they don't care for their music. But don't worry, there are plenty of people here who do appreciate the Strauss family.

[Mirror Image]

I just read these posts from Henk and I'm okay with him thinking what he wants to about what I listen to. Everybody here knows what I listen to (I post in the "What are you listening to now?" forum almost daily). I listen to mainly late 19th to music all the way up to our present time. I don't like the Baroque or Classical Eras and I'm not terribly fond of the early Romanticism either. I'm not ashamed of what I don't like and I certainly never felt the need to listen to music that I'm just not into. People are going to listen to music that gives them gratification and fulfillment. If you like listening to Bach or Nono then that's fine, that is what you enjoy. You can't hold it over anyone's head because they like to listen to the music they enjoy. You seem like a nice guy, but just try and enjoy yourself here. I've screwed up and have fallen right on my face plenty of times on this forum. I've also been put in my place many, many times, but you know what? Life goes on, you learn from it. Don't worry about anyone else and just try and enjoy your conversations with others. Find some common ground with a member and take it from there. You're the only one holding yourself back here. Good luck to you, Henk!

[Philoctetes]

I just read these posts from Henk and I'm okay with him thinking what he wants to about what I listen to.

Now isn't that just a ringing endorsement.

[Henk]

Hi Henk -- Here's a little advice that might be helpful. If you had saidand stopped there, there would have been no controversy. Most here would probably disagree with your sentiments, but respect your opinion because you were expressing how you personally feel about the music. But you continued by sayingand thereby insulted most everyone in this community. You just called me idle and unrealistic, which means you are one of those

Tony, thanks for this advice. You're right, I should not have said "people who ... are" that's wrong. I insult people, I agree, however this was not the intention people put in it. It's a good lesson however, I will express myself otherwise another time.

However, I don't think it's a moral qualification, not about "good and bad". It's more about psychology, and also for the listeners about certain values. From this I doubt the esthetical value of late-romantic music.

Let's move on now. I will start a separate thread to discuss this further.

[Lisztianwagner]

It's not that I don't appreciate what Johan Strauss Sr. or Jr. did, it's that I don't think their music is that interesting. There's a number of composers that I wish were more appreciated around here too, but I don't hold it against anyone else because they don't care for their music. But don't worry, there are plenty of people here who do appreciate the Strauss family.

Thanks, John Of course there's no problem, I perfectly know people have their taste and like listening to what they want; I wouldn't force anyone to listen to Strauss' works at all, even if hearing that music is absolutely worth doing.

[Karl Henning]

Tony, thanks for this advice. You're right, I should not have said "people who ... are" that's wrong. I insult people, I agree . . . .

If you can do that very simple thing, and forbear to be grossly insulting, perhaps other actual social graces may follow ; )

[ibanezmonster]

If you can do that very simple thing, and forbear to be grossly insulting, perhaps other actual social graces may follow ; )

Oh, for some people it's not "very simple..." (thinking of people who have either left or gotten banned). Not sure why, though... I think Henk just has his own ideas (which may sometimes be way off and end up seeming insulting), but I don't think he's really conceited or anything like that.

[Karl Henning]

No, I don't think Henk conceited, not though there was a time when he thought he was the only soul who could save GMG from itself : )

[ibanezmonster]

No, I don't think Henk conceited, not though there was a time when he thought he was the only soul who could save GMG from itself : )

I must have missed that.