Started by Elgarian, April 27, 2012, 07:07:26 AM
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Quote from: eyeresist on April 29, 2012, 07:00:43 PMBetter than Karajan Decca, Steinberg, Boult, Elder, Lloyd Jones....
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 29, 2012, 07:11:02 PMThat's a matter of opinion isn't it?
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 27, 2012, 03:15:32 PM[asin]B000H80LEK[/asin]People can say what they want to, this is a fine Planets and one of the best I've heard. Everything is perfectly judged and paced and it's certainly hard to ignore the Berliners. Rattle's attention to detail really pays dividends in the slower, more atmospheric movements like Saturn and Neptune.
Quote from: Dungeon Master on April 27, 2012, 04:57:21 PMThis one with William Steinberg is my favourite.[asin] B000056TKD[/asin]The Jupiter is regal, the Venus is beautiful, the Saturn is fun. But the Mars is so threatening, it still sends shivers up my spine. Really quite scary.
Quote from: Sammy on April 29, 2012, 09:04:53 PMOkay, I'll say what I want to. Rattle's Planets is not a fine performance - too lacking in vitality and fizz. In Mars, he sounds like a negotiator, not a war-monger. Listen to Steinberg's Mars and you'll see how whimpy Rattle is.
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 29, 2012, 09:42:25 PMIs this a "whimpy" performance?
Quote from: Elgarian on April 29, 2012, 11:48:03 PMDoesn't sound whimpy to me. It sounds full of determination, with a kind of swaggering nobility to it in the militaristic passages, and no shortage of swirling menace in the 'dark' bits. So thanks for persisting with this recommendation, MI. If I can find a cheap copy of this somewhere I'll buy it.I should maybe add that my purpose in this project (just as in the Scheherazade one) is not to find 'the best' version of The Planets, which would be futile, but to enjoy exploring what's out there, among those recordings that others have regarded highly. Obviously I expect some personal favourites will emerge, but I'm more interested in discovering the difference in flavours than in awarding points. (Besides, in the whole of my Scheherazade exploration, I only encountered one performance that I felt I'd not want to hear again.)
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 29, 2012, 09:42:25 PMI'll let GMG decide on Rattle's Mars:http://www.youtube.com/v/zfhV0qkjUgk&feature=plcpIs this a "whimpy" performance?
Quote from: Sammy on April 30, 2012, 10:05:15 AMI'm GMG also. I gave Rattle's Mars another spin; compared to better versions, it's even more tame that I thought. Sure, it's loud but lacking in needed tension. Best to put this mild interpretation to bed. For what it's worth, Rattle does an outstanding job for Jupiter and Saturn.
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 30, 2012, 11:43:54 AMWe know your thoughts on Rattle's performance, which is why I was prompted to ask other GMG members what they thought of the performance. I see you have no problems beating a dead horse.
Quote from: Elgarian on April 30, 2012, 12:25:17 PMIt's always good to get a second or a third opinion, so I looked up the Gramophone review of Rattle's Planets with the Berliners, and found comments such as 'blazing brilliance, warmth and weight'; this Mars is described as 'more menacing' than Rattle's earlier recording (itself considered to be 'excellent'); the 'incandescent form' of the Berliners is referred to. In short, there's not a negative comment in sight, and the reviewer can't praise it highly enough.
Quote from: Elgarian on April 30, 2012, 12:36:37 PMPlease don't mess up my thread (which is of some personal importance to me) by having a slanging match in the middle of it. Just try to be friendly, please.
Quote from: Elgarian on April 30, 2012, 12:25:17 PMWe're looking at different degrees and types of excellence here, not stark differences between good and bad.
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 30, 2012, 12:54:34 PM it's still a convincing performance in a completely different way.
Quote from: Elgarian on April 30, 2012, 01:23:38 PMYes, this is the kind of approach I'm hoping to make. What finally emerged from my Scheherazade experiment was nothing like a 'best' performance, but a group of about 4 or 5 separately distinctive and valuable recordings - none of which I'd want to be without. That's what I'm hoping for as the outcome here.
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 30, 2012, 01:28:56 PMLet the listening begin!
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 30, 2012, 12:54:34 PMThere's something different about the interpretation than the other ones I've heard.
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