Never Recorded, O-O-P, or A Better Recording Needed: Your Wish List!

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Daverz

Quote from: Parsifal on April 01, 2013, 07:52:08 AM
Has Kubelik's Wiener Philharmoniker Brahms Symphony Cycle ever been issued on CD?  I have LPs, but I've never seen it on digital media, and it seems like a glaring omission.
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Here's 3 & 4:

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=UCCD-9757

A work that I thought would have many more recordings is the Ginastera Violin Concerto.  It's a real showpiece, and I would have thought that some younger players would have picked it up.  I only know a live recording by Accardo.  There is also a Ricci recording.

Parsifal


Daverz

Quote from: Parsifal on April 01, 2013, 12:21:08 PM
Yes, I've come across that, but ordering CDs from Japan is one barrier I have not crossed yet.

I linked CD Japan because their shipping charges are not too bad (I'm in California; YMMV).  I've ordered from them several times and am very happy with the service.

Unfortunately you pay more for this silly SHM-CD gimmick.

Brian

I'm listening to the Bach Collegium Stuttgart / Helmuth Rilling Dvorak Te Deum right now. It still gives the impression of a slightly underpowered group of very eager amateurs. The New Jersey / Zdenek Macal recording is slightly worse, and even Vaclav Neumann lacks that extra sparkle and energy. The fact that such an incredible work - one of Dvorak's very, very best - lacks a good recording is just shocking.

The good news that Antoni Wit is rounding up the Warsaw Philharmonic & Chorus for a complete Dvorak series. The Requiem is out and they're soon to record Te Deum, Stabat Mater, Mass, etc.

Maybe Naxos can persuade Warsaw/Wit to also do the Bruckner masses, Te Deum, and Psalms...

Ken B

Four Saints in Three Acts by Virgil Thomson.

Opera Parellele performed, and I have seen a few minutes of video. Too bad they didn't think to make a quality live recording.  :'(


EigenUser

I have a score for Milhaud's Suite en Sol that I got at a bargain a few months ago, but there is no recording!
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

torut

And Milhaud's complete string quartets should be reissued.

I would like...

OOP:
La Monte Young (all)
Shostakovich SQs by Taneyev Quartet
Cage String Quartet Vol. 1 by Arditti Quartet
Jürg Frey SQs

New Recording:
Salmanov Symphonies

Not Recorded Yet:
Complete Beethoven SQs by Mosaïques
Steven Whittington (other than the string quartet)

ritter

I'd really want to see these operas recorded:

- Roger Sessions: Montezuma
- Alberto Ginastera: Don Rodrigo, Beatrix Cenci and Bomarzo (the latter was available on LP on CBS, but only transferred to CD in a limited release by the Argentine consulate in Miami--with rather sloppy prodcution standards  >:( )
- Manuel de Falla/Ernesto Halffter: Atlántida (both the pioneering Frühbeck and the later Edmon Colomer recordings are long OOP, and the work deserves wider recognition and a modern version)
- Heitor Villa-Lobos: Yerma.
- Ernst Krenek: Das Leben des Orest, Pallas Athene weint
- Vincent d'Indy: Fervaal. His L'Etranger (available from Accord) was a bit of a letdown--a sort of poor man's Parsifal, with rather tacky mysticism--but I still would want to get to know this (apparently) more ambitious work
- Reynaldo Hahn: Le Marchand de Venise (a mid-70's performance from the Palais Garnier under Rosenthal is available from a "live opera specialist" in Italy  ::) , but in poor sound and with annoying radio commentary at some moments).
- Henri Pousseur: Votre Faust (again, there was a LP of this available, but it was never transferred to CD).
- Deodat de Sévérac: Heliogabale.


Abuelo Igor

Quote from: Mirror Image on May 10, 2012, 09:03:04 PMPierne: Giration

Maybe I'm late, but it's on this album:

L'enfant, c'est moi.

Mirror Image

Quote from: Abuelo Igor on December 28, 2014, 02:48:27 PM
Maybe I'm late, but it's on this album:



Thanks, Abuelo Igor! I knew of the Pierne series on Timpani but I didn't know that work was featured on any of them.

Brian

Quote from: Brian on December 23, 2014, 10:40:31 AM
The good news that Antoni Wit is rounding up the Warsaw Philharmonic & Chorus for a complete Dvorak series. The Requiem is out and they're soon to record Te Deum, Stabat Mater, Mass, etc.

Maybe Naxos can persuade Warsaw/Wit to also do the Bruckner masses, Te Deum, and Psalms...

Noooooooooooooooooo

The Warsaw Philharmonic has signed an exclusive recording contract with Warner Records. The first release is Weinberg's violin concerto (with Ilya Gringolts) and Fourth Symphony, so that's good, but a lot of great Naxos/Wit projects may be imperiled.

Jo498

- Handel: Chandos Anthems There is only one complete recording (Christophers/Chandos) which is serviceable and even pretty good but I could imagine better. Desirable would be a recording recreating the (mostly minimal) performance forces of Cannons. There is one with three of them by the Ensemble William Byrd with one voice per part but this is also more "interesting" than completely successful.
One voice per part recordings of the italian church music (like the famous dixit dominus) would also be interesting.
This lack is somewhat surprising to me as those Anthems are IMO as attractive (and more varied) than the coronation anthems and I do not think that they are weaker (although stylistically rather different) than many Bach cantatas. There are also important in Handel's development because they already show the fusion of Italian, German and English elements. Needing only modest forces and altogether only 4 discs (each piece typically lasting about 20 minutes) this would be a more modest recording project than most Handel operas or oratorios.
Even of the better known Handel oratorios one could often imagine recordings improving on what is available but almost everything is available in decent recordings, so complaining seems exaggerated compared to other fields.

- Kurt Weill's musical theatre pieces Admittedly I only know excerpts from his later english musicals (except for firebrand of florence where I had a complete recording that I didn't like, probably fault of the music as well). So I do not know how well served these pieces are.

But his German language masterpiece, Aufstieg und Fall der Stadt Mahagonny (Rise and Decline of the City of Mahagonny) is a considerably more ambitious work than the Threepenny Opera and I am not aware of a convincing recording. There is one with the aging Lenya on CBS/Sony that is o.k. and one from the 1980s on Capriccio that is more opera-like with more or less complementary flaws: too lame, too operatic whereas Brückner-Rüggeberg in the late 1950s has too much of the "Brecht" drawl instead of singing and is probably also slightly abridged.
Even the four or more recordings of the "Dreigroschenoper" I have heard are mostly flawed because they have incoherent casts mixing actors (or pop singers) with opera singers (and often both seem miscast). Whereas "Mahagonny" mostly needs trained singers, the "Dreigroschenoper" ideally needed actors who can sing. This is apparently very hard to find in Germany. The additional problem is that Lenya and others established an exaggerated interpretive style in the late 1950s that seems completely overdone when compared to the "cool", only slightly ironic style one finds on the 1930 excerpts produced a year or two after the premiere.

Some of the best Weill recordings in the instrumental department (Atherton/London Sinfonietta on DG) are marred by English language singers whose German diction sucks.
Tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos, dans une chambre.
- Blaise Pascal

Mirror Image

I'll add Martinů's Julietta to the need a better recording pile. The current Supraphon recording is only serviceable. I really wish Belohlavek would record it for Supraphon (or some other label like Onyx or even Harmonia Mundi since he made a recording of Smetana's The Bartered Bride for this label). Mackerras' recording of the suite and fragments from Julietta only whetted my appetite. It's too bad he didn't live long enough to perhaps carry out a complete performance.

Spineur

I second you wish, Miror Image, to which I would add his last opera the Greek Passion.  A film was made from this opera but it has now been unavailable for some time.   One can listen the music on classical-music-online
http://classical-music-online.net/en/production/44131
It is really beautiful.  Plus the story is almost identical to the european refugee drama.  Opera is total art mixing music, text, staging and a good story.  This opera has all of it.
I have recently bought some of Martinu chamber music (Cello sonatas Nonet), which I do not find as interesting as his lyrical works.
My impression is also that his later works (Nonet and Greek Passion) are better finished and more profound than his early composition.

As Ritter, I would like to attend and/or hear Renaldo Hahn "Le marchand de Venise".  It was staged in 2015 in Saint Etienne opera house (a small provincial theater) and I still dont know whether  it will be shown next year.

I would also add a full scale production of Meyerbeer Huguenots: the transfer to DVD of the Sydney production is horrible, the voice of Martina Arroyo is notreally adapted to her role, and you need a knife to cut through the accent and the french diction, except of course for Gabriel Bacquier.  Still I live with it, but it would be a treat to have a 19 century "grand opera" production with 21 century technological means.

Mirror Image

Ah, but IMHO Mackerras already has a fine Greek Passion on the Supraphon label. 8)

andolink

How about the entire cycle of Beethoven string quartets in top-flight period instruments performances by the likes of, say, the Schuppanzigh Quartet.

The Op. 18 set from Quatuor Mosaïques on Naive just whets the appetite.
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Maestro267

Besides the remaining Havergal Brian symphonies that haven't been properly recorded/aren't available atm, Peter Maxwell Davies' Symphonies Nos. 7-9 need to be recorded. It's a travesty that one of our finest living symphonists does not have a complete cycle available on disc.

As a Welshman, it would be fantastic to have complete symphony cycles by the likes of Daniel Jones (selected symphonies are available on Lyrita) and Alun Hoddinott.

Jo498

Quote from: andolink on March 11, 2016, 07:10:38 AM
How about the entire cycle of Beethoven string quartets in top-flight period instruments performances by the likes of, say, the Schuppanzigh Quartet.
Yes. This was briefly talked about in another thread. It's really amazing how HIP ensembles seem to "shy away" from those beyond op.18 (there are recordings of opp. 59/3, 74, 95 and 135 but very few).

Further up in the thread someone mentioned Beethoven's piano trios. There is actually a complete HIP recording by the Castle trio but the disc with op.70 is virtually unfindable (it was issued by the Smithsonian Institution and only briefly, if at all, available on Virgin). op.1, op.97 and the shorter/WoO works were avaible on two Virgin twofers (with a Schubert Trio).

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The Op. 18 set from Quatuor Mosaïques on Naive just whets the appetite.
I only have heard one disc from that one but I think the Smithson/harmonia mundi and Turner/harmonia mundi are much better.

Some other rather mainstream works where I there seems room for really superlative recordings in modern sound are Bruckner's masses. Jochum has dated sound, Best sounds somewhat to small scale for my ears. (Although to be honest I am not sure, I sufficiently care about the music to shell out for another recording...)

Similarly for Beethoven's C major mass, although I recently listened to Karl Richter's (DG, ca. 1970) and this is surprsingly good, and I also remember Giulini/EMI as very good.

Tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos, dans une chambre.
- Blaise Pascal

Pat B

Quote from: Jo498 on March 11, 2016, 08:28:26 AM
Yes. This was briefly talked about in another thread. It's really amazing how HIP ensembles seem to "shy away" from those beyond op.18 (there are recordings of opp. 59/3, 74, 95 and 135 but very few).

Further up in the thread someone mentioned Beethoven's piano trios. There is actually a complete HIP recording by the Castle trio but the disc with op.70 is virtually unfindable (it was issued by the Smithsonian Institution and only briefly, if at all, available on Virgin). op.1, op.97 and the shorter/WoO works were avaible on two Virgin twofers (with a Schubert Trio).

It's also weird that there are 2 recordings each of 59/3 and 74 but none of 59/1-2. There's a newish 132 by Terpsycordes. I want it but don't have it yet.

Used copies of the Castle Trio/Smithsonian disc are available on US amazon.

I've been happy enough with Gardiner in the C Major Mass.

Jo498

Quote from: Pat B on March 11, 2016, 08:54:44 AM
It's also weird that there are 2 recordings each of 59/3 and 74 but none of 59/1-2. There's a newish 132 by Terpsycordes. I want it but don't have it yet.
Yes, it is odd. op.59/3 is very popular which may be a reason (for some reason, two of the most popular ones, 59/3 and 18/4 are among my least favorites...). But I cannot deny the impression that the HIP quartets are shying away from the "big" works, not only the late ones but also op.59/1+2.
And as I mentioned elsewhere most HIP recordings of Mozart's quartets and quintets are about 20 years old and oop as well.

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I've been happy enough with Gardiner in the C Major Mass.
I have had the Gardiner recording on my list for a long time, just never got around ordering it.
Tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos, dans une chambre.
- Blaise Pascal