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Blind Comparison: R.Strauss - Also sprach Zarathustra
« on: June 24, 2012, 10:34:00 AM »
As my Mahler 6 comparison is almost finished, time to start the next one! I thought that instead of doing each Mahler symphony one of each for Blind Comparison, it may be better to have different works inbetween.
So, my next blind comparison will be for Richard Strauss' Also sprach Zarathustra. The comparison will run in a similar way to the M6, in three parts - with excerpts explored in the first two parts, and then the whole piece in the final.

If you would like to take part, please just post a comment here to let me know!

I'll be starting the comparision a few days after the M6 one has finished, so probably in around a week.

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Re: Blind Comparison: R.Strauss - Also sprach Zarathustra
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2012, 10:40:58 AM »
As my Mahler 6 comparison is almost finished, time to start the next one! I thought that instead of doing each Mahler symphony one of each for Blind Comparison, it may be better to have different works inbetween.
So, my next blind comparison will be for Richard Strauss' Also sprach Zarathustra. The comparison will run in a similar way to the M6, in three parts - with excerpts explored in the first two parts, and then the whole piece in the final.

If you would like to take part, please just post a comment here to let me know!

I'll be starting the comparision a few days after the M6 one has finished, so probably in around a week.

:)

That's an excellent idea, I love Strauss' tone poems; Also sprach Zarathustra is outstanding, you can certainly count me in. :)

Hope Karajan's recording will win this time ;)
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Re: Blind Comparison: R.Strauss - Also sprach Zarathustra
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2012, 11:00:22 AM »
Bring it on. I guess I am a junkie! :)

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Re: Blind Comparison: R.Strauss - Also sprach Zarathustra
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2012, 11:33:55 AM »
This one I could not possibly miss!

Sign me up Daniel!


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Re: Blind Comparison: R.Strauss - Also sprach Zarathustra
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2012, 11:44:32 AM »
Excellent to have you three on board!! :)

Deciding the recordings at the moment. A good amount of choice!
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2012, 06:18:31 PM »
Me too!

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Re: Blind Comparison: R.Strauss - Also sprach Zarathustra
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2012, 11:34:39 PM »
I'm game! Great piece.
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Re: Blind Comparison: R.Strauss - Also sprach Zarathustra
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2012, 01:27:08 AM »
Excellent! Six participants so far. :)
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Re: Blind Comparison: R.Strauss - Also sprach Zarathustra
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2012, 03:10:19 AM »
Excellent! Six participants so far. :)

Never before participated in these games because I'm not so good at recognizing orchestras and conductors but what the heck... count me in for this one and be merciful!  :)
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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2012, 03:39:41 AM »
Never before participated in these games because I'm not so good at recognizing orchestras and conductors but what the heck... count me in for this one and be merciful!  :)
Well that is ok, because that is not the goal. You just listen to the excerpts and give your views (did you like, not like, what did you like/dislike, etc.). Usually there is some sort of ordering from favorite to least favorite (or vice versa) with the winning excerpts going to the next round. So basically, you're just giving your opinion (with some interesting commentary) and seeing how others thought of the same. This has been fascinating at times, expecially when there is a surpise concensus or divided opinion.
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Re: Blind Comparison: R.Strauss - Also sprach Zarathustra
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2012, 03:45:25 AM »
Then the better for me.  :D
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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2012, 04:14:43 AM »
Wonderful to have you taking part, Florestan! :)

Great explanation, Neal. :)

Very excited about this!
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Re: Blind Comparison: R.Strauss - Also sprach Zarathustra
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2012, 04:30:01 AM »
Well that is ok, because that is not the goal. You just listen to the excerpts and give your views (did you like, not like, what did you like/dislike, etc.). Usually there is some sort of ordering from favorite to least favorite (or vice versa) with the winning excerpts going to the next round. So basically, you're just giving your opinion (with some interesting commentary) and seeing how others thought of the same. This has been fascinating at times, expecially when there is a surpise concensus or divided opinion.
Even though I was able to participate in only the final round of the M6 trials (and only briefly at that thanks to a holiday with nothing much planned!), I welcomed the opportunity for blind listening to significant excerpts of a beloved work. The opportunity to hear them without prejudice re. the performers was a gift. Thanks, Daniel, for your time and effort spent preparing the clips and organizing the comparison! (And thanks to discobole for his efforts in the similar La Mer comparison!)

I would be nice to see vote totals at the end. That might reveal even more consensus and help clarify strongly divided opinion. After seeing the results of Disco's survey, I expect that both will prove the usual in such comparisons, especially given the small sample heavily biased toward those with firmly established tastes: consensus re. recordings with many virtues and few flaws, disagreement due to preferences of style. Thus were they included  in the M6 comparison, I would expect Sanderling's to do well among those who prefer overt drama, Gielen's to do well among those who prefer a subtler approach, and both to do very well overall due to the quality and conviction of the performances.
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Re: Blind Comparison: R.Strauss - Also sprach Zarathustra
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2012, 04:34:12 AM »
Even though I was able to participate in only the final round of the M6 trials (and only briefly at that thanks to a holiday with nothing much planned!), I welcomed the opportunity for blind listening to significant excerpts of a beloved work. The opportunity to hear them without prejudice re. the performers was a gift. Thanks, Daniel, for your time and effort spent preparing the clips and organizing the comparison! (And thanks to discobole for his efforts in the similar La Mer comparison!)

I would be nice to see vote totals at the end. That might reveal even more consensus and help clarify strongly divided opinion. After seeing the results of Disco's survey, I expect that both will prove the usual in such comparisons, especially given the small sample heavily biased toward those with firmly established tastes: consensus re. recordings with many virtues and few flaws, disagreement due to preferences of style. Thus were they included  in the M6 comparison, I would expect Sanderling's to do well among those who prefer overt drama, Gielen's to do well among those who prefer a subtler approach, and both to do very well overall due to the quality and conviction of the performances.

It's a pleasure, David - I am really glad that you enjoyed the M6 comparison! Shall be revealing the results for that very soon, and will include vote totals like you suggest (Thank you for that idea), just waiting for one or two more votes, so hopefully will have the results published by Wednesday. :)
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Re: Blind Comparison: R.Strauss - Also sprach Zarathustra
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2012, 05:33:08 AM »
I'll join if you promise to include Sinopoli/New York  :D ;)

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Re: Blind Comparison: R.Strauss - Also sprach Zarathustra
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2012, 05:37:15 AM »
I'll join if you promise to include Sinopoli/New York  :D ;)

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Agreed! This is a powerful recording.

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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2012, 07:18:26 AM »
I'll join if you promise to include Sinopoli/New York  :D ;)

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Excellent, I shall try and get hold of that recording then. ;)
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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2012, 07:43:44 AM »
I may give it a try, for fun, Daniel!
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Re: Blind Comparison: R.Strauss - Also sprach Zarathustra
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2012, 07:45:42 AM »
Excellent, I shall try and get hold of that recording then. ;)


Do or do not, there is no try...I think I may have butchered that Yoda quote, confirmation please?

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Re: Blind Comparison: R.Strauss - Also sprach Zarathustra
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2012, 07:58:40 AM »
I may give it a try, for fun, Daniel!

Do give it a try, Karl. This comparison should be a convenient one for those short on time, as the piece is just around 90 seconds long. (What! It isnt'?)
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