So what do you think of this Romantic Era list?

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TheGSMoeller

#20
July 18, 2012, 11:25:52 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on July 18, 2012, 06:45:53 AM
I'm cryin' that Berlioz is way down at 47.

I'm with ya, and of course they went with the safe bet of Davis' Fantastique.

Ataraxia

#21
July 18, 2012, 11:34:55 AM
I'm surprised he's in the top 100. :D

Karl Henning

#22
July 18, 2012, 11:39:06 AM
I am not angry, Dave, only hurt . . . .

Say, have you had a chance to give Red a spin?
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Ataraxia

#23
July 18, 2012, 11:41:11 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on July 18, 2012, 11:39:06 AM
I am not angry, Dave, only hurt . . . .

Say, have you had a chance to give Red a spin?

Aw, c'mon. I'm just playin'. :)

As for RED, I have given it one spin attempt but was interrupted. I will keep it in mind however and plan to listen soon.

Karl Henning

#24
July 18, 2012, 11:45:12 AM
Quote from: MN Dave on July 18, 2012, 11:41:11 AM
Aw, c'mon. I'm just playin'. :)

Oh, then that's all right, mate.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

TheGSMoeller

#25
July 18, 2012, 11:47:53 AM
Quote from: MN Dave on July 18, 2012, 11:41:11 AM
Aw, c'mon. I'm just playin'. :)

As for RED, I have given it one spin attempt but was interrupted. I will keep it in mind however and plan to listen soon.

RED?

Karl Henning

#26
July 18, 2012, 11:58:30 AM
Oh, it's OT . . . the King Crimson album.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

kishnevi

#27
July 18, 2012, 05:06:14 PM
Quote from: Annie on July 18, 2012, 08:13:16 AM
it's a quiet ignorant list as proved by #17

Never heard that performance--does that mean you don't like it, or that it should have been much higher?

I did have to wonder when I saw two Karajan recordings of Beethoven 9 among the top 5.  And both from the 80s.  They couldn't have picked, at least, Karajan's recording from the Sixties?

eyeresist

#28
July 18, 2012, 07:38:48 PM
Isn't it axiomatic that Schoenberg's early stuff is uber-Late Romantic?

Fafner

#29
July 18, 2012, 07:38:54 PM
Quote from: Annie on July 18, 2012, 07:25:07 PM
schoenberg and romantic??? it means something written in 1899 doesn't make it romantic.

I guess you have never heard Verklarte Nacht, which is as overheated a bit of romanticism as you will ever encounter.

Fafner

#30
July 19, 2012, 12:04:18 PM
Quote from: Annie on July 18, 2012, 07:47:41 PM
if you say so

Whether one likes it or not is a matter of taste, but is it really controversial that Verklarte Nacht was composed in a late-romantic idiom? 

jwinter

#31
July 19, 2012, 12:54:27 PM
Why in God's name would anyone want Karajan in Dvorak?  Twice, even.  The mind boggles...
The man that hath no music in himself,
Nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds,
Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils.
The motions of his spirit are dull as night,
And his affections dark as Erebus.
Let no such man be trusted.

-- William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice

annie

#32
July 19, 2012, 01:06:55 PM
Quote from: jwinter on July 19, 2012, 12:54:27 PM
Why in God's name would anyone want Karajan in Dvorak?  Twice, even.  The mind boggles...

would you oppose any of these for the 9th for any reason?
Kubelik Berlin Philharmonic
Ancerl Czech Philharmonic
Gunzenhauser Slovak Philharmonic
Abbado Berlin Philharmonic
Harnoncourt Royal Concertgebauw

jwinter

#33
July 19, 2012, 03:53:40 PM
Quote from: Annie on July 19, 2012, 01:06:55 PM
would you oppose any of these for the 9th for any reason?
Kubelik Berlin Philharmonic
Ancerl Czech Philharmonic
Gunzenhauser Slovak Philharmonic
Abbado Berlin Philharmonic
Harnoncourt Royal Concertgebauw

Not particularly -- of those, I have and very much like Kubelik and Ancerl; I have heard the Abbado but honestly have no memory of it; I may have the Harnoncourt ripped from my library but if so I definitely haven't heard it; have not heard the Gunzenhauser, though I have his Dvorak 3 & 6.

Karajan's cultured, blended style just strikes me as all wrong for Dvorak.  I got his EMI 8 & 9 very early on in my CD collecting; I didn't care for it, and haven't revisited it in years, although I'd be up for trying it again if you think there's some virtue in it -- as I said, it's been a long while.
The man that hath no music in himself,
Nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds,
Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils.
The motions of his spirit are dull as night,
And his affections dark as Erebus.
Let no such man be trusted.

-- William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice

annie

#34
July 19, 2012, 07:24:57 PM
Quote from: jwinter on July 19, 2012, 03:53:40 PM

Karajan's cultured, blended style just strikes me as all wrong for Dvorak.  I got his EMI 8 & 9 very early on in my CD collecting; I didn't care for it, and haven't revisited it in years, although I'd be up for trying it again if you think there's some virtue in it -- as I said, it's been a long while.

no, i totally agree with you. bernstein, giulini and karajan...i find them all wrong.

Fafner

#35
July 20, 2012, 12:59:15 PM Last Edit: July 20, 2012, 01:02:18 PM by Fafner
Quote from: jwinter on July 19, 2012, 03:53:40 PMKarajan's cultured, blended style just strikes me as all wrong for Dvorak.  I got his EMI 8 & 9 very early on in my CD collecting; I didn't care for it, and haven't revisited it in years, although I'd be up for trying it again if you think there's some virtue in it -- as I said, it's been a long while.

I couldn't have a more opposite view of Karajan's Dvorak.  The 70's EMI recording of the New World has the massed string section enter with an aggressive attack---you hear that 'click' of the bow hitting the strings that Karajan normally abhored---followed by very loud twack of the timpani.  The whole symphony has a very dark, tense feel that is a contrast to the way the symphony is usually played.  The effect is quite similar in the 60's recording for DG.  The original cover conveys the mood Karajan creates.



And the Dvorak 8 that he did with the Vienna Philharmonic for Decca in the 60's is one for the ages.

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