Greatest all around musician (artist), of all time and of today

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johnshade


From sixty years of pleasure from the works of perhaps twenty composers, I think of the ones who gave me greatest pleasure, e.g. Mozart, Beethoven, Bartok. "Greatest": Beethoven.
The sun's a thief, and with her great attraction robs the vast sea, the moon's an arrant thief, and her pale fire she snatches from the sun  (Shakespeare)

Ken B

Quote from: sanantonio on May 21, 2015, 08:18:34 AM
I took it to be asking for two names: one from the past and one still working today.
Ahhh.

I took it to mean someone very long-lived.  That's why I pick Mel Brooks's 2000 year old man.

FWIW I did not initially take it the way sanantonio did, but I think he took it the right way. Otherwise the "and of today" is redundant. 

jochanaan

All musicians of the past, with very few exceptions, were all-around musicians.  They sang, they played many instruments, they wrote, they improvised, they taught, they led ensembles.  Only in about the middle of the 19th century did musicians begin to specialize.

That said, one of the more interesting "crossover" musicians today is Yo-Yo Ma.  A great classical cellist, he has also played with many non-classical groups and has organized the Silk Road Ensemble, a group of master musicians from all over Asia.  If he were also a composer, he would definitely be in the running for best all-around musician of today. 8)
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Gurn Blanston

Quote from: Florestan on May 21, 2015, 08:17:12 AM
That Fux didn't wrote music on a par with Bach, Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven? Maybe; but an opinion shared by a critical mass for more than 2 centuries and a half becomes a fact.  ;D

I would have thought that a man of your intellect would know better than to make simple, declarative statements based on little more than opinion...  looks like I was wrong again... :-\

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Gurn Blanston

Quote from: sanantonio on May 21, 2015, 08:18:34 AM
I took it to be asking for two names: one from the past and one still working today.

OK.

Musicians then. Luigi Boccherini, who could play the most difficult violin concertos on his cello, at pitch!. Possibly the greatest cellist ever.

Or else Nicolo Paganini. It is one thing to be able to reproduce the things he did, as many can do today. He didn't reproduce them, he invented them.

Today, still living and playing?

I don't have an idea for this. :-\

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Wakefield

Quote from: jochanaan on May 21, 2015, 09:25:37 AM
All musicians of the past, with very few exceptions, were all-around musicians.  They sang, they played many instruments, they wrote, they improvised, they taught, they led ensembles.  Only in about the middle of the 19th century did musicians begin to specialize.

Very good point.

Specialization of the musicians and standardization of the instruments are two features very clear from the middle of the 19th century onwards.  :)
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Florestan

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 21, 2015, 10:07:24 AM
I would have thought that a man of your intellect would know better than to make simple, declarative statements based on little more than opinion...  looks like I was wrong again... :-\

8)

I would have thought that a man of your intellect would know better than to ignore the emoticons at the end of a post. I still think the same.  :-\ :-*

Seriously now, other than authoring perhaps the most influential musical treatise ever, what  achievements would recommend Fux for the greatest all around musician? Okay, Bach held him in high esteem but can you really make the case for his music being on par with Bach´s?

"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

Ken B

Quote from: Florestan on May 22, 2015, 12:33:58 AM
I would have thought that a man of your intellect would know better than to ignore the emoticons at the end of a post. I still think the same.  :-\ :-*

Seriously now, other than authoring perhaps the most influential musical treatise ever, what  achievements would recommend Fux for the greatest all around musician? Okay, Bach held him in high esteem but can you really make the case for his music being on par with Bach´s?

A question for Gurn. Say that I, who have never acted, write the greatest treatise on acting. Or I, who can play no instrument, by dint of deep study and mathematics write the greatest treatises on harmony, musical form, counterpoint, rhythm, timbre and composition. I doubt either would raise your opinion of me as an actor or as a musician.

What if George Bush writes the greastest treatise on being a president?

jlaurson

This guy... one of maybe only a dozen I can think of.


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