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The Byways of Modern American Piano Recitals
« on: December 04, 2016, 04:08:25 PM »
1) Copland: The Smits/SONY set seems the most likely candidate,- the sound seems okaaay,- is there anyone who has the kind of recorded sound that might transport these "ugly" pieces? (of course, only those 2-3)

2) 'Concord': a toss up between Aimard and Hamelin (Hyperion or NewWorld?- ???). I seemed to like Hamelin's NewWorld sample better than Aimard's, and that seemed to be totally at the hands of the engineers: the NewWorld has their typically sumptuous and close-mic'd sound, and the Warners had a more "cold and clinical" sound (which may not be sooo bad).

Also, where is the original issue of Aimard's '3 Quarter-Tone Pieces' with Lubimov?
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Re: Please: Copland Piano Music? and An Ives 'Concord'?
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2016, 04:48:35 PM »
I need an answer NOOOW!! I gotz me an itchy trigger finger- I don't know how long I can hold out :P

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Re: Please: Copland Piano Music? and An Ives 'Concord'?
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2016, 07:38:54 PM »
ok, maybe I should just wait for SONY to wake up and issue the 9CD Box... what are the odds?




As for the Ives, Hamelin is just so joyous and having a good time, and the NewWorld sound is perfect for him... compares to the Hyperion?...




Maybe I dodged a bullet?

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Re: Please: Copland Piano Music? and An Ives 'Concord'?
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2016, 07:47:22 PM »
anyway, here's the Pianists I'm looking into:

Hamelin
Boriskin
Feinberg (already,check)
P.Serkin (already, check)
Alan Marks (check)
Karis (no)
Barry Douglas Webern???!!!
Hough (only adventurous 20th)


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Re: Please: Copland Piano Music? and An Ives 'Concord'?
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2016, 10:04:30 PM »
This is the one you need for Concord, and it handily has the 3 Quarter-tone pieces, too.

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Re: Please: Copland Piano Music? and An Ives 'Concord'?
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2016, 11:18:05 PM »
Composer/pianist Easley Blackwood has been doing the Ives for decades, and is considered a 'highly authoritative' performer of it... (Current parlance might have it said, 'he owns it.')
On the Cedille label, with some other rep you're wanting.

link has some audio clips you can check.

http://www.cedillerecords.org/albums/easley-blackwood-piano-sonatas-by-ives-and-copland


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Re: Please: Copland Piano Music? and An Ives 'Concord'?
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2016, 05:24:43 AM »
This is the one you need for Concord, and it handily has the 3 Quarter-tone pieces, too.



Are you rating Aimard higher than Hamelin, ... it's just that when you use the word "need", that indicates "stop searching NOW!!". You don't find that recording "clinical", as opposed to the NewWorld Hamelin (which I found warm and friendly on YT)? However, with the 3QTP, instead of the songs, this certainly is in the Top3...

Composer/pianist Easley Blackwood has been doing the Ives for decades, and is considered a 'highly authoritative' performer of it... (Current parlance might have it said, 'he owns it.')
On the Cedille label, with some other rep you're wanting.

link has some audio clips you can check.

http://www.cedillerecords.org/albums/easley-blackwood-piano-sonatas-by-ives-and-copland


Best regards

thanks ;)





I also stumbled across that old Peter Lawson 2CD set on Virgin, with Sonatas by Carter, Copland, Ives (No.1), Griffes, Sessions, etc.,... I'm sure not too much verification of its merits is needed...

I'm really not quite sure how I got into an American Piano Works mode,... but here I am! :o

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US Piano Music: Alan Feinberg on ARGO
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2016, 05:28:50 AM »
I have always enjoyed Feinberg's 'The American Innovator', and even 'Facinatin' Rhythm'. How do you think I would enjoy the other two in the series, 'The American Virtuoso' and 'The American Romantic'? I know they're mostly "salon" styled... I don't know how mild I can go...

I really just want to spend some money, don't I? oy vey!! ::)

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Re: Please: Copland Piano Music? and An Ives 'Concord'?
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2016, 05:32:17 AM »
Are you rating Aimard higher than Hamelin, ... it's just that when you use the word "need", that indicates "stop searching NOW!!". You don't find that recording "clinical", as opposed to the NewWorld Hamelin (which I found warm and friendly on YT)? However, with the 3QTP, instead of the songs, this certainly is in the Top3...
The Concord is by Lubimov. It's also on YT. And note too that it has both the viola and flute parts, unlike some recordings.
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Re: Please: Copland Piano Music? and An Ives 'Concord'?
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2016, 06:53:23 AM »
John Kirkpatrick "owned" the Concord Sonata for many years: he knew Ives, and became probably America's top expert on the composer.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/HrFEPhsNm4U" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/HrFEPhsNm4U</a>
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Re: Please: Copland Piano Music? and An Ives 'Concord'?
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2016, 10:45:55 AM »
The Concord is by Lubimov. It's also on YT. And note too that it has both the viola and flute parts, unlike some recordings.

ok, yea, I was confused there... do you know what the original Apex release was? All I find is Lubimov on ZigZagTerritories, coupled with Berg and Webern.

John Kirkpatrick "owned" the Concord Sonata for many years: he knew Ives, and became probably America's top expert on the composer.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/HrFEPhsNm4U" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/HrFEPhsNm4U</a>

That one certainly has a trail blazing quality to it that is lacking in Hamelin's "I eat sonatas like you for breakfast" approach. If I could find a Kirkpatrick rendering in Teldec sound- ??... is that Lubimov??




I was just listening to Feinberg's 'Fascinatin' Rhythm'- such a great recital!

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Re: Please: Copland Piano Music? and An Ives 'Concord'?
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2016, 10:57:14 AM »
anyway, here's the Pianists I'm looking into:

Hamelin
Boriskin
Feinberg (already,check)
P.Serkin (already, check)
Alan Marks (check)
Karis (no)
Barry Douglas Webern???!!!
Hough (only adventurous 20th)


Add Tzimon Barto to that list.
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Re: Please: Copland Piano Music? and An Ives 'Concord'?
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2016, 10:59:03 AM »

Add Tzimon Barto to that list.

ahhh, good one ;)

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Re: Please: Copland Piano Music? and An Ives 'Concord'?
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2016, 11:01:45 AM »
ok, yea, I was confused there... do you know what the original Apex release was? All I find is Lubimov on ZigZagTerritories, coupled with Berg and Webern.

That one certainly has a trail blazing quality to it that is lacking in Hamelin's "I eat sonatas like you for breakfast" approach. If I could find a Kirkpatrick rendering in Teldec sound- ??... is that Lubimov??
   <a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/RXPSU1gOjL0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/RXPSU1gOjL0</a>
Well if you want lack of technical ability, I'm afraid Lubimov doesn't really deliver.  ;)
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Re: Please: Copland Piano Music? and An Ives 'Concord'?
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2016, 04:16:04 PM »
   <a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/RXPSU1gOjL0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/RXPSU1gOjL0</a>
Well if you want lack of technical ability, I'm afraid Lubimov doesn't really deliver.  ;)

Pretty well sold on Lubimov! ;) Hamelin sounds "great, effortless", Lubimov sounds "dark, serious"- that's what one misses in the Hamelin. Yea, great stuff there


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Re: Please: Copland Piano Music? and An Ives 'Concord'?
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2016, 04:39:01 PM »

That one certainly has a trail blazing quality to it that is lacking in Hamelin's "I eat sonatas like you for breakfast" approach. If I could find a Kirkpatrick rendering in Teldec sound- ??... is that Lubimov??


No CD, but Kirkpatrick's 1970 stereo version is available via a download:

https://www.amazon.com/Piano-Sonata-Concord-Mass-1840-60/dp/B00FKQ3WNQ/ref=sr_1_102?s=dmusic&ie=UTF8&qid=1480984600&sr=1-102&keywords=Concord+Sonata&refinements=p_n_feature_browse-bin%3A625151011

And all the movements are available, but Amazon, an ignorant company when it comes to "our" music, has spread them throughout the "Search" results.
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Re: Please: Copland Piano Music? and An Ives 'Concord'?
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2016, 07:35:13 AM »
No CD, but Kirkpatrick's 1970 stereo version is available via a download:

https://www.amazon.com/Piano-Sonata-Concord-Mass-1840-60/dp/B00FKQ3WNQ/ref=sr_1_102?s=dmusic&ie=UTF8&qid=1480984600&sr=1-102&keywords=Concord+Sonata&refinements=p_n_feature_browse-bin%3A625151011

And all the movements are available, but Amazon, an ignorant company when it comes to "our" music, has spread them throughout the "Search" results.

Frankly, Lubimov has everything JK does, plus sound. I'm sold!






Here's my findings:

Ives 2: Lubimov

Copland: Smit

Barber, Copland, Carter, Ives3P: Lawson
Griffes, Sessions2, Ives1: Lawson

Bolcom, Wolpe: Hamelin
Ives2, Wright: Hamelin

American Virtuoso: Feinberg
American Romantic: Feinberg- already have the other two

Britten: Hough



What am I missing?