Chopin Recordings

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George

#920
Quote from: George on August 12, 2010, 12:52:22 PM
The EMI has the  exact same program. Maybe they are the same recordings? Mine was from 1985 and is marked DDD.

Here's the timings on my EMI CD -

Piano Sonata
6:45
6:19
8:43
1:05

Ballades
8:47
7:08
6:52
10:16

Nope, the DG timings are different enough to suggest that they are different.

Sonata
6:57
6:32
9:13
1:08

Ballades
9:06
6:35
7:08
10:36

http://www.deutschegrammophon.com/cat/single?PRODUCT_NR=4356222

Dancing Divertimentian

Quote from: George on August 12, 2010, 01:00:17 PM
Nope, the DG timings are different enough to suggest that they are different.

Sonata
6:57
6:32
9:13
1:08

Ballades
9:06
6:35
7:08
10:36

http://www.deutschegrammophon.com/cat/single?PRODUCT_NR=4356222

They're different but why Gavrilov would re-record the exact same works separated by only six years is a mystery to me.

A Gramophone review helped clear up the issue of dates.
Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

George

Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on August 12, 2010, 07:58:52 PM
They're different but why Gavrilov would re-record the exact same works separated by only six years is a mystery to me.




Dancing Divertimentian

Quote from: George on August 12, 2010, 08:06:25 PM


Yeah, I guess EMI and DG both wanted a piece of the Gavrilov pie. ;D

For a time he seemed to be in demand on record but lately that's changed. Who knows why. I've read he can be temperamental (don't remember where I read that, though, or the context) so maybe that factors in.
Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

Dancing Divertimentian

Quote from: Verena on August 12, 2010, 12:18:43 PM
Thanks. Bought!  8) (amazon marketplace is a good thing  ::))

Hope it works out for you...
Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

Verena

QuoteHope it works out for you...
I'll report back once I have the CD..
Don't think, but look! (PI66)

George



Just listened to the Ballades from this set. His technique is impressive and he plays with a fair amount of poetry. This is solid Chopin playing, characterized by a minimum of rubato and wide dynamic range. The climaxes are big and bold, with plenty of fireworks, though not over the top. The EMI sound is very good for its age, producing a full piano sound.

Coopmv

Quote from: George on August 30, 2010, 11:37:00 AM


Just listened to the Ballades from this set. His technique is impressive and he plays with a fair amount of poetry. This is solid Chopin playing, characterized by a minimum of rubato and wide dynamic range. The climaxes are big and bold, with plenty of fireworks, though not over the top. The EMI sound is very good for its age, producing a full piano sound.

OOP?

George


Drasko

New release from Chopin Institute looks interesting


QuoteArchival recording of the recital of Raul Koczalski which took place on February 21, 1948 in the Pompeian Room of the Belvedere on the occasion of the 138th anniversary of Fryderyk Chopin's birthday.

Raul Koczalski was the student of Chopin's pupil Karol Mikuli. He devoted his entire artistic life to Fryderyk Chopin and considered himself an heir to the Chopin tradition, handed down to him by Mikuli. He left many recordings of Chopin, Bach, Mozart, Liszt, Paderewski, Schumann and his own.

The recordings are unique due to sound of "Chopin" Pleyel piano from 1847.

Clips can be auditioned at jpc. It seems there is announcement for each piece, which sounds annoying, but the opening of op.7/1 mazurka (track 3) is really nice.
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Frederic-Chopin-Klavierwerke/hnum/3479408

George

Quote from: Drasko on August 31, 2010, 06:32:10 AM
New release from Chopin Institute looks interesting
Clips can be auditioned at jpc. It seems there is announcement for each piece, which sounds annoying, but the opening of op.7/1 mazurka (track 3) is really nice.
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Frederic-Chopin-Klavierwerke/hnum/3479408

Yes, I am a big fan of Koczalski. Marston Records plans to release all of his recordings, as they did for Hofmann. Volume one is due in November.

Drasko

I like Koczalski as well, at least judging by the Chopin disc on Pearl which is the only thing I have. Polish label Selene released seven or eight volumes devoted to Kozcalski, though only three are in print according to their website. Tony had bunch of them, I never heard any.

http://selenemusic.com/eng/?id=cd&go=lista&kat=1

actually one of those three volumes supposedly in print has the same recital as the Chopin Institute disc.

http://selenemusic.com/eng/?id=cd&go=pokaz&ad=21

George

Thanks for the links, Drasko.

Herman

Quote from: Drasko on August 31, 2010, 08:09:05 AM
I like Koczalski as well, at least judging by the Chopin disc on Pearl which is the only thing I have. Polish label Selene released seven or eight volumes devoted to Kozcalski, though only three are in print according to their website. Tony had bunch of them, I never heard any.

http://selenemusic.com/eng/?id=cd&go=lista&kat=1

actually one of those three volumes supposedly in print has the same recital as the Chopin Institute disc.

http://selenemusic.com/eng/?id=cd&go=pokaz&ad=21

Tony graciously gave me a bunch of duplicates of those Selene discs.

And I think you can listen to those Chopin Institute recordings on their website.

Drasko

Quote from: Herman on August 31, 2010, 11:28:00 PM

And I think you can listen to those Chopin Institute recordings on their website.

I'm aware of that, but this particular one isn't offered for streaming, for some reason.

http://en.chopin.nifc.pl/institute/publications/musics/id/1689

Mandryka

#935
I listened to a whole pile of Op 69 waltzes today.

Some pretty good musicians have played these – the playlist included Cortot, Rachmaninov, Michelangeli, Sofronitsky and others.

It's interesting to compare Cortot and Rachmaninov in 62/1. Rachmaninov more charming, joyful but avoiding  corniness.  Cortot deeper, whatever that means (Very well transferred on APR by the way.) So much is no surprise.

Katsaris was in the bunch. How boring he sounds in this company! At least in the Op 69s, he's not interesting at all. That's no surprise either.

But what is surprising maybe was how well Weissenberg sounded, despite the total unbelievable eccentricity of the reading. Weissenberg's Chopin always confounds expectations, never more so than here. But if you've got an open mind it's very interesting and stimulating music making.

But the pianist who made me go slightly damp eyed was Elissio Wirssaladze in Op 69/1. And that is a surprise for me, because I had always slightly sidelined her Chopin, But I was wrong to do that I think, certainly judging by this little waltz. Michelangeli had that quality too. ABM is achingly beautiful if ever so slightly sentimental. But what he lacked, and what Wirssaldaze had, was spontaneity.

And spontaneity is the most important thing I think.
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

George

Quote from: Mandryka on September 07, 2010, 10:28:08 AM
Cortot deeper, whatever that means (Very well transferred on APR by the way.) So much is no surprise.

Cortot on APR? Tell me more. Oh - those late recordings?

Verena

Quote from: Mandryka on September 07, 2010, 10:28:08 AM

But the pianist who made me go slightly damp eyed was Elissio Wirssaladze in Op 69/1. And that is a surprise for me, because I had always slightly sidelined her Chopin, But I was wrong to do that I think, certainly judging by this little waltz. Michelangeli had that quality too. ABM is achingly beautiful if ever so slightly sentimental. But what he lacked, and what Wirssaldaze had, was spontaneity.

Mandryka, on which CD does she play this Waltz?
Don't think, but look! (PI66)

Mandryka

#938
Quote from: George on September 07, 2010, 11:15:09 AM
Cortot on APR? Tell me more. Oh - those late recordings?

Correct

Quote from: Verena on September 07, 2010, 11:27:54 AM
Mandryka, on which CD does she play this Waltz?

http://www.live-classics.com/391.htm

Not a recording I have enjoyed much in the past -- hence my surprise.

I suspect it works better vertically -- one work in  a playlist with other pianists, than horizontally -- just listening through.

But the essential thing is that you all get one of these so you can do this vertical listening that has been giving me so much pleasure recently

http://www.logitech.com/speakers-audio/wireless-music-systems/devices/5745
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Verena

Quote from: Verena on September 07, 2010, 11:27:54 AM
Mandryka, on which CD does she play this Waltz?

Thanks! Have you heard the whole CD? If so, do you like it?
Don't think, but look! (PI66)