An honest musical statement

[Sammy]

That's for certain.  Topics such as these usually end up being totally unsatisfactory because as soon as you make a statement, someone else makes a statement which completely redefines the terms you have used.  Then you can find yourself not even agreeing with what you have just typed.  This thread seems to be worse than most.

Speaking for myself, concrete statements such as "I like recording 'X' because the trumpets are nice and loud" are much, much more interesting than discussions of what an "honest musical statement" is, at least with the crowd we have here.

That's for sure.  Let's blame some guy for this thread; these contemporary music mavens are always out to cause discord.

[some guy]

Awesome, Sammy!

Best laugh I've had today so far.

(And I do a lot of laughing, so kudos!!)

[Karl Henning]

. . . To say that, ultimately, all opinions are based on subjective judgements isn't at all the same thing as saying that all opinions are equal.

Bingo!

[Karl Henning]

As a rule, it's the fellow who has thought least about his opinion, who is most eager to assert that all opinions are equal.

It's a low-risk species of con.

[Elgarian]

That's for sure.  Let's blame some guy for this thread; these contemporary music mavens are always out to cause discord.

Spot on. I hereby rescind my offer to him of a pint. I'll make it two.

[Sammy]

Awesome, Sammy!

Best laugh I've had today so far.

(And I do a lot of laughing, so kudos!!)

I'm glad you knew I was joking around.

[some guy]

 

[Scarpia]

As a creator putting his truth out there for the public, someone who's in the woodshed endlessly pining away .. ? I doubt it.

Come to think of it, there are posts made to communicate to another member, that there are posts in which the poster is only concerned to amuse himself.  Ironic in this case, I think. 

[Karl Henning]

Does one pine away in the woodshed? I ask only for information.

[some guy]

Wow. The entry requirements for being in the "understand the gist of simple, common, often understood expressions like these" club are really tough. Not only that, as soon as you've met all of the requirements there are new ones added before you can join.

Anyone up for a game of "heads I win; tails you lose"?

Oh, it's fun.

[Gurn Blanston]

Over 50 years is a long time .. perhaps we can all bear witness to the fruits of all his learning, labour and professional expertise? If he's spent those 50 years wisely it should be something comparable to the highest level of music making. But based on what he has posted in the past and how he talks .. his 'musicianship' probably amounts to something like throwing pots and pans down the stairs or standing on a step ladder and pouring water into the end of a tuba.

Well, James, you of all people should know that definitions of what music and musicianship is and are is a pretty subjective thing. This thread was off to a fine start, actually quite interesting. I'm hoping that we don't have to come to chastisements over ad hominem statements like this one. Let's keep on point, shall we?

GB

[Gurn Blanston]

Hi Gurn .. music & musicians are not subjective things. They obviously exist and have existed for a very, very long time, and we have enough to know what they are from beginners all the way up to the highest level.

Appreciation of various musics is subjective as hell. There may well be metrics or finite criteria that define certain aspects, but overall it isn't so. In any case, one doesn't confer Dolthood onto someone who has different criteria or metrics. Which is the actual point of my post in the event that this slipped past you.

[DavidRoss]

If someone inadvertently tells the truth when he believes he's lying, is he making an honest statement? Likewise, if what he says is false but he believes it's true?